What do you think about rifle car carry?

KBCraig · Post by **KBCraig** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 4:16 pm

txinvestigator wrote:What is "rifle distance"? I train from contact out to 300 yards.

300 yards is a heckuva pistol shot.

I understand your point, just as your understood mine.

Kevin

j1132s · Post by **j1132s** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 4:28 pm

I think somebody mentioned that before, but wouldn't a pistol caliber carbine be better than than a rifle in these SD situations?

I've shot a Beretta CX4 in 40s&w. They are pretty accurate to 100 yards, and very accurate within 50 yards. They also fall under rifle category so no need for CHL.

Does anyone own one of these ?

Paladin · Post by **Paladin** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 4:33 pm

j1132s wrote:I think somebody mentioned that before, but wouldn't a pistol caliber carbine be better than than a rifle in these SD situations?

I've shot a Beretta CX4 in 40s&w. They are pretty accurate to 100 yards, and very accurate within 50 yards. They also fall under rifle category so no need for CHL.

Does anyone own one of these ?

I would disagree with the use of a pistol cal. carbine. A rifle is far more powerful, with more useful penetration capability.

gigag04 · Post by **gigag04** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:23 pm

Paladin wrote:
j1132s wrote:I think somebody mentioned that before, but wouldn't a pistol caliber carbine be better than than a rifle in these SD situations?

I've shot a Beretta CX4 in 40s&w. They are pretty accurate to 100 yards, and very accurate within 50 yards. They also fall under rifle category so no need for CHL.

Does anyone own one of these ?
I would disagree with the use of a pistol cal. carbine. A rifle is far more powerful, with more useful penetration capability.

+1. Body armor would laugh at a .40SW shot.

Jungle Work · Post by **Jungle Work** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:29 pm

I carry a Mossberg 590 in my truck all the time.
As Jason said, "I don't do motel rooms without a 12 guage."
I also don't do lonley streches of Roads. late at night in Texas with out a 12 guage. And I'm a sensitive kinda guy.

Jungle Work

KBCraig · Post by **KBCraig** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:54 pm

It's not "all the time" carry, due to where I work, but my Winchester 1300 Defender is my "road gun". No.4 Buck in the mag, slugs in the buttsock.

Kevin

WNallG30 · Post by **WNallG30** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:19 am

This post actually made me get around to looking at the roof mounted rifle rack. Not gonna work. I don't have the heart to drill into my roof and put a bolt through there. I'm kinda liking Chas' idea about jumping through the hoops for a 10" AR15. Chas, if you decide to do that, post your ATF adventures on here so we can all take part! From what I hear, it takes almost as long as getting your TX CHL, so we may have to give you some encouragement as well!

Oh yeah, and about the short stroke issues with the short barreled AR's. My brother has an 11" AR with a 5" permanantly mounted flash suppressor. It counts as a 16" barrel, but functions as an 11". He originally ran into reliability issues, but we put in a "D-fender". It's a little rubber ring that goes around the extractor spring, and we put an adjustable gas block on the barrel. No extraction problems, and now he can dial in the amount of gas that goes through the tube so no cycling issues either. Since those mods, it's been as reliable as my A2.

Kalrog · Post by **Kalrog** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:32 am

My preferred LGS is a Class 3 dealer so I get to hear a lot of folks going through the process. The one downside right now is that the CLEO (sherriff) has decided that he will not sign off on any class 3 purchases - and he is fairly recently elected so we have quite a while before we can vote him out of office.

I uderstand that the CLEO sign off is supposed to be simply a notification that it is going to happen and not a request for permission, so is there any easy way to FORCE the issue? I don't plan on getting anything class 3, but a supressed .22 sure would be nice. Great range toy to teach those who are scared it will be too loud (my wife comes to mind).

The other option is to form a corporation and then have the corporation actually purchase the firearm - and with you as the president of the corporation you get all rights to it.

AV8R · Post by **AV8R** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:36 am

Gentlemen, this topic has been so interesting that I had to register and post a comment. While I have been known to travel with a 12ga. 870, I've been looking at a Marlin Guide Gun in 45-70 for a car piece. It's not as spooky as the black guns, or as practical as a shotgun, but it does have a certain panache. It's stealthy on punk radar. It doesn't panic little old ladies. It's great for prison-weightlifter types on PCP; no double-taps needed. Like a single-stack 1911, its thinness simplifies concealment and mounting. With the stock trimmed a bit to reduce the rifle's excessive length of pull, this rifle would be shorter than a yardstick; ready at the cock of a hammer, perfect for a quick snapshhot. Academy Sports, and other fine toy stores, have them for about $450.

j1132s · Post by **j1132s** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:55 pm

Paladin wrote:
I would disagree with the use of a pistol cal. carbine. A rifle is far more powerful, with more useful penetration capability.

I believe that different situations may call for different guns and sometimes a compromise is needed (in this case, no CHL which limits choices to long guns).

In the situation of somebody w/o CHL and wanting to carry in the car, I'd recommend a pistol caliber carbine. They are generally much smaller than a rifle (have you tried to move a rifle around inside the car), have no recoil, will not make you deaf/blind, do not over penetrate, usually have much quicker target acquisition aiming systems.

In fact, after posting in this thread, I saw a CX4 and bought it. :) I'm not as good a shot w/ it as I remember...

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:30 pm

j1132s wrote: (have you tried to move a rifle around inside the car), have no recoil, will not make you deaf/blind, do not over penetrate, usually have much quicker target acquisition aiming systems.

Sounds just like my AR, except my AR will defeat body armor. ;)

KBCraig · Post by **KBCraig** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:53 pm

AV8R wrote: I've been looking at a Marlin Guide Gun in 45-70 for a car piece. It's not as spooky as the black guns, or as practical as a shotgun, but it does have a certain panache. It's stealthy on punk radar. It doesn't panic little old ladies.

That's why I've left my 1300 Defender stocked in wood, instead of black plastic. I expect that should I ever use it defensively, it will be paraded before the media, and the sad truth is the Eeeevil Black Guns prejudice the jury pool far more than something that looks like Uncle Bubba's deer gun.

Kevin

lrb111 · Post by **lrb111** » Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:19 pm

KBCraig wrote:
AV8R wrote: That's why I've left my 1300 Defender stocked in wood, instead of black plastic.

Kevin

My cheap Maverick 88 came with nylon stock parts. I think it was less than $20 each for the heat shield, and grip.
It might not defeat armor, but with the slugs it would probably defeat nearly anything wearing it. :-)
This isn't mine, but it's identical. The barrel is only about 3 inhces longer than the picture.
It is really fun to shoot, btw.

1TallTXn · Post by **1TallTXn** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:26 pm

that ruger ram just screams "steal me" IMO (if a piece of machinery can scream... ;) )

I'd like to acquire a Shotgun and rifle for home/car defense. not sure how i'd put it in the car, but i'm looking at getting a pickup/suv in the semi-near future.

GrillKing · Post by **GrillKing** » Wed Apr 26, 2006 4:54 pm

KBCraig wrote: That's why I've left my 1300 Defender stocked in wood, instead of black plastic. I expect that should I ever use it defensively, it will be paraded before the media, and the sad truth is the Eeeevil Black Guns prejudice the jury pool far more than something that looks like Uncle Bubba's deer gun. Kevin

I agree. The same reason that most of the time I carry a single weapon, 5 shot revolver, no extra reload (I prefer the size / weight / fit of the revolver over my semi-autos). IMO, the odds are overwhelmingly against ever having to use it and if it were needed, the odds are overwhelmingly against needing more than what I carry. I think if you ever need your weapon and you have a gun w/ 2 extra magazines, a backup with extra magazines, a knife, pepper spray and a tactical light, you are going to, rightly or wrongly, presented as a gun nut, looking for a fight, even if it isn't true and for most folks it probably isn't true. But I do think it will be used against you. I don't have any issue with those that carry to that extent, but I think the risk of not having that level of armament outway the inconvenience and the 'will be used against you in court' exposure.

Just my opinion, no beef with those that do otherwise. Do what's legal and makes you comfortable...