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PsychDiver wrote:Why fight such a battle when a simple answer would do.

It looks like he would have got inside the hospital a lot quicker if he cooperated with the DPD officer.

roberts wrote:

PsychDiver wrote:Why fight such a battle when a simple answer would do.

It looks like he would have got inside the hospital a lot quicker if he cooperated with the DPD officer.

Give me a break. Moates was trying to reason with the officer and the officer was just being a jerk. He also was doing everything he could to prolong the encounter. Moates was distraught and IMO cooperating very much with the officer. Could you just stand there and take a berating while a loved one was dying a few hundred feet away? I know I couldn't.

G.C.Montgomery wrote:

DEADEYE1964 wrote: I agree, I am not upset about the traffic stop, I am upset after two nurses and a Plano cop told him the situation after Moats told him several times as well. I do not know if you heard the scum bags response but he said, I am almost done. I hope someone beats the heck out of this guy and teaches him some manners.

Yep, I heard him. I don’t wish Powell any undue harm but, I do hope he doesn’t do this again. If, as it appears, Powell has a history of this sort of behavior then it’s past time to weed him out. Part of me just wants to give him the benefit of the doubt. In that case, Powell’s actions make me wonder if he just so consumed with writing a citation that he just plain wasn’t listening. That’s not an excuse, but I’m curious to know why he was so dense that day.

I agree with you G.C., I would love to give him the benefit of the doubt, we all have bad days but I think there will be many reports come forward now since this was made so public. I know a lot of good LEO'S and they hate this, they tell me it is hard enough to earn trust and this is a big set back when something like this happens and becomes so public.

Keith B wrote:

roberts wrote:

PsychDiver wrote:Why fight such a battle when a simple answer would do.

It looks like he would have got inside the hospital a lot quicker if he cooperated with the DPD officer.

Give me a break. Moates was trying to reason with the officer and the officer was just being a jerk. He also was doing everything he could to prolong the encounter. Moates was distraught and IMO cooperating very much with the officer. Could you just stand there and take a berating while a loved one was dying a few hundred feet away? I know I couldn't.

I agree, I thought he explained himself quiet well to no avail. I think this power munger would of had to shoot me in the back because I would be going in the hospital to see my loved one before they died. I did not see Moats get out of line or show disrespect at all.

DPD Chief David Kunkle has served as Chief of Police in Grand Prairie, Arlington & now Dallas. He stated he was "embarassed" by Powell's actions.

I will agree with his opinion.

DEADEYE1964 wrote:I know a lot of good LEO'S and they hate this, they tell me it is hard enough to earn trust and this is a big set back when something like this happens and becomes so public.

There are far more good cops, at whatever level - city, county, state, federal - than there are bad cops. And IMO, the "good cops" have every right to be among the judges when the "bad cops" pull stuff like this, since they're the ones who ultimately have to deal with the public backlash. And when the public sees that LEOs are "policing" their own, that goes a long way toward restoring and reinforcing trust between law enforcement and the general population.

May God bless those who serve, in whatever service, by placing themselves between the general populace and harm's way.

quidni wrote:

DEADEYE1964 wrote:I know a lot of good LEO'S and they hate this, they tell me it is hard enough to earn trust and this is a big set back when something like this happens and becomes so public.

There are far more good cops, at whatever level - city, county, state, federal - than there are bad cops. And IMO, the "good cops" have every right to be among the judges when the "bad cops" pull stuff like this, since they're the ones who ultimately have to deal with the public backlash. And when the public sees that LEOs are "policing" their own, that goes a long way toward restoring and reinforcing trust between law enforcement and the general population.

May God bless those who serve, in whatever service, by placing themselves between the general populace and harm's way.

This is how it should be. You should always be judged by a jury of your 'peers'. They understand what goes on out on the street and will be able to better asses the situation and appropriate punishment if it is needed. In this case, I think it is pretty cut and dried.

Keith B wrote: This is how it should be. You should always be judged by a jury of your 'peers'. They understand what goes on out on the street and will be able to better asses the situation and appropriate punishment if it is needed. In this case, I think it is pretty cut and dried.

One problem is that sometimes in a corrupt department, the brotherhood thing kicks in and coverups and excuses can kick in. We saw this with the Atlanta Police department in the Ms Johnson affair, the Feds had to come in to straighten that one out. In this case though it was a police officer who brought it to the departments attn. DPD released the video and publically did all the right things at least so far. The bright side of this dark cloud was that it was handled well by the reporting officer, and the Chief.

DEADEYE1964 wrote:
I think he deserves to have the crap beat out of him and with his attitude, he will get it. His job is to serve and protect, not abuse his power with his badge. Like I said in another post, several more reports are coming out about this guy, it was not an isolated incident. There will be more reports, do you think he just started being a jerk that day ?

I am dismayed by the fact that you think violence against a police officer is the answer.

I agree that he showed a poor attitude toward this family. He will in fact get what he deserves, but that will be decided by his chain of command, and perhaps by his maker.

MOATS: "Right now, you're wasting my time."

I think it was this extremely disrespectful comment that started the situation downhill. Note at what point in the confrontation this comment was made.

roberts wrote:

PsychDiver wrote:Why fight such a battle when a simple answer would do.

It looks like he would have got inside the hospital a lot quicker if he cooperated with the DPD officer.

I am impressed, it only took 3 pages:

Nitrogen wrote: Probably not. What's even worse, is, celebrity or not, I can guess plenty of people would stick up for the officer.

Partially, I guess I have my hippie parents to blame. While in many ways I'm a LOT more conservative than they are, I have always kept the (healthy?) distrust of authority.

I don't give it up for authority just because they are authority; nobody should.

ninemm wrote:

MOATS: "Right now, you're wasting my time."

I think it was this extremely disrespectful comment that started the situation downhill. Note at what point in the confrontation this comment was made.

Stating facts clearly and concisely is not "disrespectful."

G.C.Montgomery wrote:

DEADEYE1964 wrote: He did not blast through the red light or was he driving 100 mph like the idiot cop in Dallas last week that flipped his car, he slowed down to make sure no one was coming then ran the light, I would do the same. Several more reports are coming out about this cop, this was not an isolated incident. This guy is a power munger and needs to be dealt with.

Powell's decision to stop and detain Moats was correct. Until Moats stopped, there was no way for Powell to know why Moats was speeding or failing to obey traffic devices. So the initial traffic stop was certainly legit. To argue otherwise is unreasonable. It's Powell's behavior after that point which is at issue and as you noted, this apparently isn't his first time showing poor judgment. Like I said, if Powell can't figure it out, he's in for a rough and/or short career.

No. He his employment needs to be terminated, not reprimanded, not suspended. Terminated. This loser with incredibly poor judgement has the right to kill people. If he doesn't have good judgement he's unfit for the job, just like any other position would fire him. If I understand correctly, at one point he drew his weapon.

Terminated.

KRM45 wrote:

DEADEYE1964 wrote:
I think he deserves to have the crap beat out of him and with his attitude, he will get it. His job is to serve and protect, not abuse his power with his badge. Like I said in another post, several more reports are coming out about this guy, it was not an isolated incident. There will be more reports, do you think he just started being a jerk that day ?

I am dismayed by the fact that you think violence against a police officer is the answer.

I agree that he showed a poor attitude toward this family. He will in fact get what he deserves, but that will be decided by his chain of command, and perhaps by his maker.

The problem is you look at him as a police officer, I look at him as a scumbag.

ninemm wrote:

MOATS: "Right now, you're wasting my time."

I think it was this extremely disrespectful comment that started the situation downhill. Note at what point in the confrontation this comment was made.

That is not what started it, at that point the scumbag was wasting Moats time, it had already been explained what the situation was and the power munger still had no intention of letting him go inside so yes, he was wasting Moats time.