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txinvestigator,

You are clearly quite correct - that kind of breathing is only for target shooting for score. That's why I said, "Again, in a "real" situation this is not going to be any help; but punching paper at the range, it can help improve your groups." in that post.

Having lead a very sheltered life, and never having (knock-on-wood) been in a "real" situation, all I know anything about is paper-punching.

The rest of the paper-punchers suggest that "match pressure" can simulate, to a small degree, the pressure of a "real" encounter. I'd imagine this is probably more applicable to "practical pistol" matches than to bullseye, but I doubt that "match pressure" ever simulates the reality of a gun fight.

My greatest fear is not being shot, it is that I will fail to recognize an actual threat if/when one presents itself. The first time I ever got sideways, driving on an icy road, I did not accept it at first - the only thing that saved me was hours mis-spent getting sideways in fresh snow in the Sears parking lot, for fun. This trained my reflexes so when I entered a turn too fast on a public roadway (probably 30 in a 40 zone, but on ice), I handled it ok - didn't hit anything, and didn't start to shake until later.

An armed confrontation is different in that I think one has to recognize it as such before responding. Maybe I'm wrong, but I dont think that responding reflexively is acceptable in such a case - I think I need to make a conscious decision that my life is in immediate danger, I can't escape, and need to shoot back to survive. This is different from countersteering into a skid by reflex.

Your comments are welcome and, indeed, requested.

Regards,
Andrew

txinvestigator wrote:Unless you are making slow, deliberate precision shots, I think you just need to breath. I practice shooting while moving foward, rearward, laterally, diagonally, etc. You gotta breath.

+1

breathing is one of the only voluntary/involuntary functions we have in our body. when shooting it should be involuntary; on auto pilot.

if you have to think about every breath or where to shoot during a breath then you are not focused on the taskes you need to be focused on.


there is only one exception to this rule "Unless you are making slow, deliberate precision shots"

BobCat wrote:txinvestigator,

You are clearly quite correct - that kind of breathing is only for target shooting for score. That's why I said, "Again, in a "real" situation this is not going to be any help; but punching paper at the range, it can help improve your groups." in that post.

Having lead a very sheltered life, and never having (knock-on-wood) been in a "real" situation, all I know anything about is paper-punching.

The rest of the paper-punchers suggest that "match pressure" can simulate, to a small degree, the pressure of a "real" encounter. I'd imagine this is probably more applicable to "practical pistol" matches than to bullseye, but I doubt that "match pressure" ever simulates the reality of a gun fight.

My greatest fear is not being shot, it is that I will fail to recognize an actual threat if/when one presents itself. The first time I ever got sideways, driving on an icy road, I did not accept it at first - the only thing that saved me was hours mis-spent getting sideways in fresh snow in the Sears parking lot, for fun. This trained my reflexes so when I entered a turn too fast on a public roadway (probably 30 in a 40 zone, but on ice), I handled it ok - didn't hit anything, and didn't start to shake until later.

An armed confrontation is different in that I think one has to recognize it as such before responding. Maybe I'm wrong, but I dont think that responding reflexively is acceptable in such a case - I think I need to make a conscious decision that my life is in immediate danger, I can't escape, and need to shoot back to survive. This is different from countersteering into a skid by reflex.

Your comments are welcome and, indeed, requested.

Regards,
Andrew

I wasn't disagreeing with you. I make my breathing comments based on 2 things.

1. When I do martial arts, either TKD or Krav, I have to THINK about breathing or I tend to hold my breath. I am better at it now than when I first started, but I still find myself doing it. I guess its me focusing so much at the other things going on, but it is a constant thing for me.

2. This is where #1 is relative to this, I observe new shooters often holding their breath. I guess this is from focusing on all og the other stuff going on.



As a shooter, if you breath, pause, shoot...............breath pause shoot......., thats cool with me because you ARE breathing.


I also share your concern that when its time to actually drop the hammer on another person that I might 2nd guess myself and not react quickly enough.

Well done TxI !!! Thanks for the tutorial!!
Will give it a try tom night.