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koolaid wrote:I really have no idea how you could accidentally pull the trigger when drawing, though. Your finger doesn't end up in the trigger guard, it ends up laying on the side of the gun, like you would have it normally when you weren't about to shoot something. The only valid complaint I see is that if something lodges in the release button you might not be able to pull your pistol out of it.

The issue is that pressing the lock with the trigger finger, as part of the drawstroke with the holster, is a very similar action to pressing the trigger with the trigger finger. Under pressure, tasking, adreanal dump, etc... people's trigger finger must do two different tasks that use a very similar motion.

What can happen is people have pressed the lock while pulling the pistol from the holster and kept on pressing with their trigger finger as the pistol cleared the holster and that motion allowed the trigger finger to slip onto the trigger firing off rounds.

My issues with the Serpa is it adds another mechanical device that can fail and it adds another fine motor control action that must be done at a critical time. I prefer the simplicity of passive retention on all of my holsters.

CompVest wrote:My issues with the Serpa is it adds another mechanical device that can fail and it adds another fine motor control action that must be done at a critical time. I prefer the simplicity of passive retention on all of my holsters.

This makes more sense and I can understand this if the holster is not kept clean. I'm not as willing to believe your other thought about the paddle breaking. It seems like there is much more material that would increase its strength and be less likely to break. It also seems to me that a holster only being held by two small belt loops has more stress on a smaller area. And if the holster is leather, well, after constant and repeated flexing it would only naturally weaken at those points over time.

I don't know about the blackhawk serpa level 2 coming off all that easily. It also has little hooks that grab onto the bottom of my belt. It would probably come off easier than one where the belt actually goes through the holster, but I think it would take quite a bit to dislodge it. That's why I think because of its surface area it would be more difficult to break off. Plus, it's not just in the belt. It is also inside the pants.

C-dub wrote:I'm not as willing to believe your other thought about the paddle breaking. It seems like there is much more material that would increase its strength and be less likely to break. It also seems to me that a holster only being held by two small belt loops has more stress on a smaller area. And if the holster is leather, well, after constant and repeated flexing it would only naturally weaken at those points over time.

Paddle holster being snatched.

Looked like a fobus roto holster that broke at the roto point where one screw holds thing together. He just ripped the plastic away from the screw. That's not why I quit wearing mine, but here's and excellent reason. Paddle or not roto's stick out too far for me.

IMHO, if one wants a retention holster for cc, go right ahead.

There have been issues with deployed Soldiers and the holster getting jammed orthe snap breaking off. That means pistol "no come out". No, I have no links.

Do not look at what is bought for use over there as any recommendation. These holsters are not in the US Govt supply system, they do not have a NSN (unless it changed within the last year). They are bought by units with a Govt CC from black hawk. The guy buying them may be buying them becasue they are known item and he has no idea about holsters. He may have seen someone else with them. It is not because any tests where conducted by Aberdeen Proving Grounds.

When deployed, the least number of things to break the better. You want one, fine, use one. But do not assume it is combat approved, tested, or endorsed by Soldiers or the Military.

I have no doubt people know Soldiers over there who have one of these holsters. They may be happy with them. But many folks over there use the holster to carry a pistol so they can get in the chow hall, in that case, there will never be an issue. No insult to anyone over there, that was my purpose on my second trip over.

To each his own.

GSMD Fan wrote:But many folks over there use the holster to carry a pistol so they can get in the chow hall

What do you mean by this? A firearm is required to eat?

I didn't see it mentioned so far but just in case -
Say you're gun hand becomes disabled before you can draw your weapon, such as a guy swings a pipe at you and you block it and your hand is broken, or a gun fight or attack starts for some reason and catches you unaware and you are hit in the arm, or a number of other scenarios that disable your shooting hand. How do you remove the gun from the serpa holster, assuming you still have use of your weak hand?