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Re: A Right to Education?

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:52 pm
by Dudley
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:Are you aware of such a US school?
Yes. Private schools teach all kinds of wacky propaganda. That's why I'm against school vouchers from tax money.

Re: A Right to Education?

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:10 pm
by chabouk
Dudley wrote:
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:Are you aware of such a US school?
Yes. Private schools teach all kinds of wacky propaganda. That's why I'm against school vouchers from tax money.
Yes, wacky propaganda would never be taught in public schools, right?

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Re: A Right to Education?

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:11 pm
by chabouk
marksiwel wrote:we really need to get rid of the Property Tax way of getting schools funded.
You can see the differences Carrolington Schools and Coppell Schools and they are right next to each other. Its a disgrace that kids are being left out of so many opportunities because they live in the wrong zip codes.
So, you think it should be illegal for wealthier districts to spend more?

Re: A Right to Education?

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:54 am
by Zee
Dudley wrote:
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:Are you aware of such a US school?
Yes. Private schools teach all kinds of wacky propaganda. That's why I'm against school vouchers from tax money.
Most private schools I've seen are "faith-based." After speaking to other parents with kids in the schools I learned the faith part is often limited to some brief prayer time or a cross or two on the walls. I imagine this has to do more with tax status than faith or wacky propaganda.

Re: A Right to Education?

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:32 am
by marksiwel
chabouk wrote:
marksiwel wrote:we really need to get rid of the Property Tax way of getting schools funded.
You can see the differences Carrolington Schools and Coppell Schools and they are right next to each other. Its a disgrace that kids are being left out of so many opportunities because they live in the wrong zip codes.
So, you think it should be illegal for wealthier districts to spend more?
lets see, when Coppell High drops millions on a FOOTBALL Training center (Thats right next to their FOOTBALL FIELD!) and there are schools without Books , Computers, and TEACHERS. then I say there is something wrong going on. Did I say illegal? No. Dont assume.

If Texas was number 1 in education or even in the top ten, you could argue that we are doing it right, instead we are 25th or 30th (depending on the review).

Re: A Right to Education?

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:27 pm
by Liberty
marksiwel wrote: lets see, when Coppell High drops millions on a FOOTBALL Training center (Thats right next to their FOOTBALL FIELD!) and there are schools without Books , Computers, and TEACHERS. then I say there is something wrong going on. .
On this I agree, When schools develop as much pride on the academic accomplishments as they do about football, they might actually start teaching the kids something. Teach the kids to read and give them the ability to use functional arithmetic.

Re: A Right to Education?

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:04 pm
by chabouk
marksiwel wrote:
chabouk wrote: So, you think it should be illegal for wealthier districts to spend more?
lets see, when Coppell High drops millions on a FOOTBALL Training center (Thats right next to their FOOTBALL FIELD!) and there are schools without Books , Computers, and TEACHERS. then I say there is something wrong going on. Did I say illegal? No. Dont assume.
I agree their priorities are wrong. I personally wouldn't spend a dime on extracurricular anything, but I'm not a Coppell taxpayer or voter (and I'm outvoted on those issues in my own ISD).

Money spent per pupil has never been an accurate way to predict student performance. And make no mistake: every ISD in Texas receives more than enough to adequately educate children. When the money is spent on administration and non-academics, more money won't help.

Even if the neighboring ISD spent exactly the same per pupil on academics but still performed at a lower level, would you still blame the Coppell athletic budget? Would it still be a shame? What would your solution be other than to stop Coppell from spending so much?

My argument is academic (pardon the pun), because I don't support the existence of tax-funded schools at all.

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Re: A Right to Education?

Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:02 am
by Purplehood
Dudley wrote:If the taxpayers are going to pay for school, either through public schools or vouchers, the taxpayers have a moral right to demand they're getting good value for their money.

There are also ethical concerns about making a ***Insert my favorite ethnic/religious group here*** pay taxes to support a school that denies ***insert my favorite issue here***.

Re: A Right to Education?

Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:26 pm
by lil red
Purplehood wrote:There are also ethical concerns about making a ***Insert my favorite ethnic/religious group here*** pay taxes to support a school that denies ***insert my favorite issue here***.
:iagree:

Freedom means paying your own way.