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Yep, limited lifted at the Bmt WalMart.

So the limit was 6 boxes per customer, and what do they have stocked, maybe 30 boxes? So now those of us who couldn't be satisfied with 600 rounds of .380 can now purchase all 30 boxes if we get there first. 6 boxes is more than any non-hoarder/non-scalper needs in one day. The only reason I bought bought 5 boxes last time at Academy was because I thought I might not see it again in several months.

Storing more nuts than necessary is a common (moronic) compulsion and shooters are no exception. Just look what happens when a 24 hour freeze is forecasted-The shelves at HEB are emptied and those of us who want to buy a weeks worth of shopping are out of luck. Don't give me any free market arguments-I guarantee that if Academy follows suit, none of us will ever see another box of .380 as long as we live, except from internet scalpers who will charge quadruple. And what will happen to all that .380 ammo, it'll attract dust in someone's closet next to the majority of handguns that never get fired.

I hate hoarding, and I especially hate that I can't just buy a box of ammo and go shooting with it. Red's won't even sell a box to shooters unless they buy or rent a gun from them.

Embalmo

Embalmo wrote:So the limit was 6 boxes per customer, and what do they have stocked, maybe 30 boxes? So now those of us who couldn't be satisfied with 600 rounds of .380 can now purchase all 30 boxes if we get there first. 6 boxes is more than any non-hoarder/non-scalper needs in one day. The only reason I bought bought 5 boxes last time at Academy was because I thought I might not see it again in several months.

Storing more nuts than necessary is a common (moronic) compulsion and shooters are no exception. Just look what happens when a 24 hour freeze is forecasted-The shelves at HEB are emptied and those of us who want to buy a weeks worth of shopping are out of luck. Don't give me any free market arguments-I guarantee that if Academy follows suit, none of us will ever see another box of .380 as long as we live, except from internet scalpers who will charge quadruple. And what will happen to all that .380 ammo, it'll attract dust in someone's closet next to the majority of handguns that never get fired.

I hate hoarding, and I especially hate that I can't just buy a box of ammo and go shooting with it. Red's won't even sell a box to shooters unless they buy or rent a gun from them.

Embalmo

First off, I think you may want to rethink the statement in red. Only crazy people and criminals need to be able to purchase more than 1 gun per month. See how easily this mentality can be abused?

Prior to 2008, I never had a problem finding ammo. I rarely kept more than 100-200 rounds at any given time. Times have changed, so I change with them. I'm glad things are reverting somewhat back to normal. I happened to stop back to Walmart today just to check out the situation. There was even more ammo stocked today than last week (even a few boxes of .45), even though the limit signs were removed. The sky is not falling.

I don't own anything in .380 so admittedly I don't feel that pain. I do however own something in just about every other caliber. If I can't find .45 one day, I just shoot something else. Life goes on.

Dave

Embalmo wrote:So the limit was 6 boxes per customer, and what do they have stocked, maybe 30 boxes? So now those of us who couldn't be satisfied with 600 rounds of .380 can now purchase all 30 boxes if we get there first. 6 boxes is more than any non-hoarder/non-scalper needs in one day. The only reason I bought bought 5 boxes last time at Academy was because I thought I might not see it again in several months.

Storing more nuts than necessary is a common (moronic) compulsion and shooters are no exception. Just look what happens when a 24 hour freeze is forecasted-The shelves at HEB are emptied and those of us who want to buy a weeks worth of shopping are out of luck. Don't give me any free market arguments-I guarantee that if Academy follows suit, none of us will ever see another box of .380 as long as we live, except from internet scalpers who will charge quadruple. And what will happen to all that .380 ammo, it'll attract dust in someone's closet next to the majority of handguns that never get fired.

I hate hoarding, and I especially hate that I can't just buy a box of ammo and go shooting with it. Red's won't even sell a box to shooters unless they buy or rent a gun from them.

Embalmo

6 boxes isn't that much. 3 boxes is a pretty normal practice session for me, at least in my normal carry gun. It's not .380, but some folks' regular carry is a .380, the Bersa Thunder being a good example. If I were buying for myself and the wife, 6 boxes is certainly within reason for a trip to the range.

I don't know about you, but I don't like gonig to the store before each and every range session. I like to have enough ammo in stock for several sessions, then load up again next trip I take to the store. That's neither hording nor scalping, and is perfectly reasonable, IMO. I'd estimate that I have around 8 boxes of .380 in my ammo boxes right now. I'm not hording it, nor do I think it's unreasonable. I do the same thing with cans of corn or green beans or refried beans or any other kind of non-perishable food item. It's not reasonable to go to the store before every meal for food, just like I think it's not reasonable to have to go to the store for ammo before every range trip. It's good economics of my time (and gas money) and prudent planning to keep a decent amount of ammo in stock and buy it at decent prices when it's available.

Perhaps neither of you guys are hoarding, but if Academy were to lift their limit it would be a victory for ideology (yay freedom), but a catastrophe for reality (no ammo available ever at fair market value). I do think we all know that this is not comparable to a limit on gun purchases; if it were, it would be a limit to due to availability and demand so that everyone would have a chance at gun ownership without some scalpers buying them all up. It's the same reason that there are limits to sale items at supermarkets, if there were none, the Mom and Pop stores would buy every item in stock and up the price in their stores; which is exactly what is/will happen. You can literally buy (if it were available) 600 rounds per day with the old limit. If you're shooting over 4200 rounds a week, you better learn to re-load.

The bottom line is that I just want my LCP to not become a paper for the sake of ideology. Ideally we would be able to buy 8 boxes when we want, but in reality we wouldn't be able to buy a single box. You can debate this all day, but we all know that limits maintain availability and the supply ain't increasing

Embalmo

Question posed to anyone:

In Wal-Mart yesterday I saw boxes of WWB that looked almost
like the usual WWB's, but these were marked "9MM, Full Metal Jacket, NATO".

Do boxes marked "NATO" contain rounds that are any different from
WWB simply marked "9MM, Full Metal Jacket" ?

Thanks in advance.

SIA

Embalmo wrote:Perhaps neither of you guys are hoarding, but if Academy were to lift their limit it would be a victory for ideology (yay freedom), but a catastrophe for reality (no ammo available ever at fair market value). I do think we all know that this is not comparable to a limit on gun purchases; if it were, it would be a limit to due to availability and demand so that everyone would have a chance at gun ownership without some scalpers buying them all up. It's the same reason that there are limits to sale items at supermarkets, if there were none, the Mom and Pop stores would buy every item in stock and up the price in their stores; which is exactly what is/will happen. You can literally buy (if it were available) 600 rounds per day with the old limit. If you're shooting over 4200 rounds a week, you better learn to re-load.

The bottom line is that I just want my LCP to not become a paper for the sake of ideology. Ideally we would be able to buy 8 boxes when we want, but in reality we wouldn't be able to buy a single box. You can debate this all day, but we all know that limits maintain availability and the supply ain't increasing

Embalmo

Boy oh boy, my ammo stash would make you MAD!

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:Question posed to anyone:

In Wal-Mart yesterday I saw boxes of WWB that looked almost
like the usual WWB's, but these were marked "9MM, Full Metal Jacket, NATO".

Do boxes marked "NATO" contain rounds that are any different from
WWB simply marked "9MM, Full Metal Jacket" ?

Thanks in advance.

SIA

I'd like to know that too. Do NATO rounds have to be ball ammo??

(to no one in particular)

No one knows how much I shoot, so no one has a clue how much I need.

In fact, how much I buy, how much I shoot, and how much I keep is nobody's business.

I will tell ya this, after this thread reminded me of ammo and WalMart, I called them to confirm their limit had been lifted.

While out for dinner, the Mrs and I stopped by WalMart and carried out two heavy sacks of more ammo for the home shelves.

Keep telling me how much I shouldn't have, and you'll keep reminding me to buy more.

doc540 wrote:(to no one in particular)

No one knows how much I shoot, so no one has a clue how much I need.

In fact, how much I buy, how much I shoot, and how much I keep is nobody's business.

I will tell ya this, after this thread reminded me of ammo and WalMart, I called them to confirm their limit had been lifted.

While out for dinner, the Mrs and I stopped by WalMart and carried out two heavy sacks of more ammo for the home shelves.

Keep telling me how much I shouldn't have, and you'll keep reminding me to buy more.

Yep and it wasn't .380 you carried out I guarantee you all and if Academy lifts their limits I can tell you how many boxes of .380 you'll be buying from now on-ZERO. Those of us who own .380s would like to continue shooting them and as I pointed out, "You can debate this all day, but we all know that limits maintain availability." Lifting the limits at Academy will do nothing but radically increase the shortage and that is every .380 auto owner's business.

Embalmo

Embalmo wrote: Lifting the limits at Academy will do nothing but radically increase the shortage and that is every .380 auto owner's business.

Embalmo

If you're that concerned, perhaps you should look into investing in some reloading equipment?

Embalmo wrote:

doc540 wrote:(to no one in particular)

No one knows how much I shoot, so no one has a clue how much I need.

In fact, how much I buy, how much I shoot, and how much I keep is nobody's business.

I will tell ya this, after this thread reminded me of ammo and WalMart, I called them to confirm their limit had been lifted.

While out for dinner, the Mrs and I stopped by WalMart and carried out two heavy sacks of more ammo for the home shelves.

Keep telling me how much I shouldn't have, and you'll keep reminding me to buy more.

Yep and it wasn't .380 you carried out I guarantee you all and if Academy lifts their limits I can tell you how many boxes of .380 you'll be buying from now on-ZERO. Those of us who own .380s would like to continue shooting them and as I pointed out, "You can debate this all day, but we all know that limits maintain availability." Lifting the limits at Academy will do nothing but radically increase the shortage and that is every .380 auto owner's business.

Embalmo

And I think you're wrong. I wasn't even aware they had limits (I've seen no signs indicating such), and I don't buy the shelves out of .380 any time I see it. I just get a couple of boxes to put into my ammo stores at home, and continue on my way. In fact, they've had it the last three times I was there. I think the reason Wal-Mart is always out of .380 is because they only carry WWB, and increasing .380 production does not seem to be high on Winchester's priority list..

Embalmo[/quote]

And I think you're wrong. I wasn't even aware they had limits (I've seen no signs indicating such), and I don't buy the shelves out of .380 any time I see it. I just get a couple of boxes to put into my ammo stores at home, and continue on my way. In fact, they've had it the last three times I was there. I think the reason Wal-Mart is always out of .380 is because they only carry WWB, and increasing .380 production does not seem to be high on Winchester's priority list..[/quote]

This is not a matter of opinion. Businesses place these limits to maintain quantities for their customers; there is simply no other reason, it brings customers into the store because they can rely on finding what they need. Without these limits, the first person who walks in the door on the day of a rare shipment will buy the entire store's stock of .380 ammo; and it will quite possibly be a person that a store employee calls that morning, almost completely guaranteeing that the general public will have zero access to .380 ammo.

So if customers want those products to still be available in the stores that they have relied on, they must be in favor of reasonable limits. This is not a principle that I want to be true or believe to be true, this is reality. Now I know that Wal-Mart won't ever keep up with demand, so it doesn't matter with them, but if Academy and Cabela's follow suit, it's game over for finding inexpensive .380 ammo for any of us. Is this what we want?

Embalmo

74novaman wrote:

Embalmo wrote: Lifting the limits at Academy will do nothing but radically increase the shortage and that is every .380 auto owner's business.

Embalmo

If you're that concerned, perhaps you should look into investing in some reloading equipment?

So is that what you think we should all do? Completely write off access to factory loaded .380 ammo? Have you seen some of the online prices? I've seen $55 boxes of Blazer online and that is all that we'll have if every store allows their entire shipment to be transferred to one buyer instead of their customers.

With that said, I'm not worried about Academy; they must realize that they have a reputation of being the only reliable .380 source and I'm sure they want to keep it that way. Wal-Mart'll never be a reliable source anyway, so it doesn't matter for them.

Embalmo

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:Question posed to anyone:

In Wal-Mart yesterday I saw boxes of WWB that looked almost
like the usual WWB's, but these were marked "9MM, Full Metal Jacket, NATO".

Do boxes marked "NATO" contain rounds that are any different from
WWB simply marked "9MM, Full Metal Jacket" ?

Thanks in advance.

SIA

Here's what I know:

Most 9mm Luger ammo is 115gr, 9mm NATO standard is 124gr. The NATO rounds are also higher pressure, but not by much, maybe 2,000 PSI higher, closer to a 9mm+P.

I would treat the NATO rounds like +P; in other words I would not make a habit of using it for plinking as it wears your gun a bit more. On the other hand, 9mm NATO is the standard for most of the world's guns and any modern well kept 9mm should have no trouble handling it.