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UpTheIrons, IMO no. The contrasting colors does not necessarily define the sign as non compliant....

The wording of the sign does. "Article 4413 (29ee)" is not in the current Statutes...therefore obsolete and not enforceable.

Yes...you CAN be arrested and be handcuffed and be taken in a police car to the jail, photographed, booked and processed in, but if you have an attorney(with money spent) you will get the case dismissed.....if you want to go that route.

{all of the above assumes you wish to conceal carry past that sign}

Going to jail sux no matter why you are there!

joe817 wrote:The wording of the sign does.

Exactly...

Concealed means concealed...I'd carry right past that sign.

He was talking about 2 different signs.

He mentioned that the first one (the pictured one) is non-compliant due to wording.

The second one (no picture) he said was compliant every other way, but had certain contrasting colors for certain words.
I would say that the contrasting colors would not invalidate the sign, as long as they were still clearly readable.

dicion wrote:He was talking about 2 different signs.

He mentioned that the first one (the pictured one) is non-compliant due to wording.

The second one (no picture) he said was compliant every other way, but had certain contrasting colors for certain words.
I would say that the contrasting colors would not invalidate the sign, as long as they were still clearly readable.

Correct. Sign one (pictured) has non-compliant wording and non-compliant letters making up the wording. Which I found to be odd, as the doors are new.

Sign two (no picture) was compliant as to wording and letter type, but certain words were in another color. As they were all visible, I am assuming (like most of you) that this sign is compliant. If anyone is near Breckenridge hospital in Austin, these are the doors under the skybridge from the parking garage that's on Red River and 15th.

Another sign to add would be the correct 30.06 sign in English with no Spanish. It is my understanding that this sign is not compliant and you may carry past it.

i finally saw a 51% sign. my wife dragged me to go to one of her friend's bday party. i knew we were going to a bar. so i didn't even bother to bring my piece. plus had 5 glasses of long island ice tea! yeah! I felt naked though!

joe817 wrote:UpTheIrons, IMO no. The contrasting colors does not necessarily define the sign as non compliant....

The wording of the sign does. "Article 4413 (29ee)" is not in the current Statutes...therefore obsolete and not enforceable.

Yes...you CAN be arrested and be handcuffed and be taken in a police car to the jail, photographed, booked and processed in, but if you have an attorney(with money spent) you will get the case dismissed.....if you want to go that route.

{all of the above assumes you wish to conceal carry past that sign}

Totally agree! You may beat the rap, but you're not gonna beat the ride! However, if you are willing to go to court and establish "case law" for the rest of us, I will recommend a good attorney.

Justin CHL wrote:Totally agree! You may beat the rap, but you're not gonna beat the ride!

You can beat the ride if you obey the law and keep it concealed.

jester wrote:

Justin CHL wrote:Totally agree! You may beat the rap, but you're not gonna beat the ride!

You can beat the ride if you obey the law and keep it concealed.

I agree one hundred percent!

I have seen too many 51% signs posted in the wrong place almost every where. Mostly behind the bar or next to the men's restrooms. I have asked about them when I can find a manager and most don't have a clue what to do with them.
My brother N law and I educated on manager at BJ's here in Houston and he was not a 51% place. He took them down and put the Unlicensed warning on the door. The same thing at the Toyota Dealer where I bought my Xb. No clue. They just put them up anywhere.

joe817 wrote:The wording of the sign does. "Article 4413 (29ee)" is not in the current Statutes...therefore obsolete and not enforceable.

The DPS attorney at the most recent instructor class said clearly in answer to a direct question about this "old wording" that such signs are in fact "effective notice" and "enforceable" and carrying past such signs is illegal.

I happen to disagree with her legal opinion, but thought I'd share it with the rest of you so you can make your own judgments.

As far as I'm concerned, if I have to go learn the new laws every few years and be recertified/re-licensed to carry, then the property owners are under the same obligation to learn about changes to the law and adjust their signs accordingly. Turn this all around and it would be like a CHLee walking past a new 30.06 sign and saying "but I thought only the "Article 4413 (29ee)" sign was valid because that's what I learned in my first CHL class. What's good for the goose ....

legal? at Seton Hospital off 38th in Austin, TX

Clearly does not conform to the 30.06 statute. 46.035 (i) would be your defense.

However, I would say the property owner's message is clear. One way to avoid any problems……KEEP IT CONCEALED! If you keep it concealed, you should never have an issue.

understood. just got my plastic yesterday and we were in there the day before. ive found myself looking for signs all over and saw that when we had to take a family member to the emergency room.