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dicion wrote:Incorrect. This only applies if the Bar is licensed separately from the restaurant, and as such, is it's own 51% location.

Ok, that makes a lot more sense. I knew I had heard that admonishment in class, but couldn't figure out if it was just a good idea to follow instead of law or what. Thanks for clearing that up.

Edited to fix quote.

Conversation which probably has never in history happened before:
(I'm positive no officer ever heard this before,,,)

"Officer ,,,I only had one"
LEO : "Ok, I believe you"



(just kidding)

Crossfire wrote:

BrianSW99 wrote:I don't think you can say that 1 or 2 beers would definitely be illegal. Since the definition of intoxicated is left vague, I think it ultimately would depend on the demeanor of the person with the officer and whether they "act" intoxicated or give the officer reason to suspect they are.

I think that shouting out in a crowded restaurant bar that "I have my gun!" is probably evidence enough of intoxication.

The Second Amendment and ability to pay the fees notwitstanding, not everyone has the maturity and judgement to have a CHL.

Oldgringo wrote:

Crossfire wrote:

BrianSW99 wrote:I don't think you can say that 1 or 2 beers would definitely be illegal. Since the definition of intoxicated is left vague, I think it ultimately would depend on the demeanor of the person with the officer and whether they "act" intoxicated or give the officer reason to suspect they are.

I think that shouting out in a crowded restaurant bar that "I have my gun!" is probably evidence enough of intoxication.

The Second Amendment and ability to pay the fees notwithstanding, not everyone has the maturity and judgment to have a CHL.

True, but it wasn't established that that guy was a CHL, a special investigator/off duty FBI agent/US Marshall/Personal Protection Officer/judge or justice/arson investigator/Game Warden/etc etc etc.

He was probably one of the "Men in Black" alien investigators from Washington. (From movie, Men in Black)
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RPB wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:

Crossfire wrote:

BrianSW99 wrote:I don't think you can say that 1 or 2 beers would definitely be illegal. Since the definition of intoxicated is left vague, I think it ultimately would depend on the demeanor of the person with the officer and whether they "act" intoxicated or give the officer reason to suspect they are.

I think that shouting out in a crowded restaurant bar that "I have my gun!" is probably evidence enough of intoxication.

The Second Amendment and ability to pay the fees notwithstanding, not everyone has the maturity and judgment to have a CHL.

True, but it wasn't established that that guy was a CHL, a special investigator/off duty FBI agent/US Marshall/Personal Protection Officer/judge or justice/arson investigator/Game Warden/etc etc etc.

He was probably one of the "Men in Black" alien investigators from Washington. (From movie, Men in Black)
Probably there investigating the low flying jets used to cover the alien ship noises viewtopic.php?f=83&t=38273" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You're right, my bad.

Morons don't need a license. A Texas CH licensee would never do something as stupid as shout out about his (or your) gun in a bar.

I've had a beer while sitting at the bar in Chili's quite a few times with no problems. The guy in the OP might just be a little excited about his new CHL (assumption, I know), or he's just an idiot. Some people think it's "cool" to have a gun on them and don't realize how people react to that in public yet. Hopefully he learned something.

Intoxicated is intoxicated. If someone is too impaired to legally carry, they're too impaired to legally drive. That includes not only the uisge beatha prohibited to Muslims, but OTC and prescription medicine as well.

dicion wrote:

terryg wrote:

BrianSW99 wrote:

terryg wrote:Plus, drinking or not, he and his friend should not have been at the bar area.

Why not? At a place like Chili's, the bar is not considered separately for the 51% rule.

Brian

I still thought the bar area of a restaurant was off limits.

Incorrect. This only applies if the Bar is licensed separately from the restaurant, and as such, is it's own 51% location.

The bar area is off limits for CHL in some states - e.g., Florida.

Excaliber wrote:The bar area is off limits for CHL in some states - e.g., Florida.

That's one good reason to live in Texas...!

Excaliber wrote:The bar area is off limits for CHL in some states - e.g., Florida.

A Texas CHL is not valid in some states like New York.

In some states, the area off limits to legally carried guns is also off limits to minors.

My guess? This guy didnt have a gun but his friend probably recently made the mistake of letting a less mature friend know he had recently gotten his CHL. Thats the way the events described make the most sense to me.

When my son-in-law first got his chl he came up to me in church and said in a conversational volume, "I'm wearing my gun." I did my best Archie Bunker and said, "Shuuut up, will ya?" I took him aside after services and we had a polite discussion on etiquette and how concealed generally includes conversation as well.

Today he was wearing a belly band and was printing so badly his 3 year old asked, "What's that Daddy?" We had yet another lesson in concealment methods, equipment and appropriate clothing choices. He's intelligent but not all that wise; but he's growing and he takes correction well. After today, I am wondering about the guy in the bar, just socially inept? Perhaps his friend had a discussion with him later.

After reading this thread I figured I would add my 2 cents. I enjoy a beer or a drink on occasion while out with my fiance but I make sure to not have more than one. If it leads to more than that she is the designated driver and the weapon becomes under her control and vice versa. Otherwise about the guy who outs himself in public, he will soon probably loose his CHL if he actually has one. Perhaps he could have been joking with the guy about his CHL? Either way it's for this reason the only people that know I have mine are my fiance, my dad, and step-mom. They all have theirs or are awaiting it in the mail. I should also say that they are very responsible and the likelihood of this happening is nil. To me its all about knowing your situation.
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You can sit at a bar if the establishment is not 51% for example at Bass Pro Shops you can sit at their bar and they even have the unlicensed possesion of a weapon sign at the bar. I have sat at Bass Pro's bar several times while carrying and had lunch etc. Its not illegal. I just dont drink while carrying. If its a 51% establishment yes it is illegal.

Drink what ever you think your limit is at the Bar.....Just remember that the LEO that stops you will determine if you are intoxicated not a breathtest or anything else. So the burden will be on you to prove that you were not.....good luck with that and say bye bye to your CHL.