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WildBill wrote:
G192627 wrote:Another I'll throw out there to answer my own question: I've heard a lot of people who are, understandably, uncomfortable giving all their personal information including hand, palm, etc prints.
It's not like the government doesn't have it already. I can't even remember how many times I have had my fingerprints taken. All my "personal and private" information with my drivers license, social security number, employment history, credit cards, bank accounts, and 401K information is in hundreds of databases.
Your prints are taken at birth I think.
I can't remember it though...
I was too busy :cryin at the time.
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PappaGun wrote:Your prints are taken at birth I think.
I can't remember it though...
I was too busy :cryin at the time.
As I recall, they only took my footprints. ;-)
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Why am I here when I don't have my CHL?

That's actually pretty simple. I don't currently have anything that would require a CHL to carry. I found this site while doing some research on 1911s and found that it contained a wealth of information so I've hung around.

Now it's not so much a question of why don't I have it so much as a when will I get it. The answer to that is really up to the IRS at this point. Part of our refund this year is tagged to put a nice new 1911 in my hands for my 40th. I'll want to put a decent number of rounds through it to get comfortable with it before I start the paperwork and class for my CHL. I shot a couple of pistols back in high school, but nothing more until a friend of mine took me out to a range last fall and I fell in love with his dad's old service 1911A1. He had a few Glocks, a Ruger and a Walther that I shot as well, but the 1911 just felt right. The poor Walther didn't even get a full mag run through it before I had enough of it. The Glocks lasted a mag each. The Ruger was ok, but it was a pure target pistol. The Colt on the other hand...I kinda felt bad when I noticed that I had killed off all of the .45acp that we'd brought and my friend had only got to run 1 mag through his dad's gun. :fire

So I figure sometime in March or April I should start the process. :waiting: Before then, I'm just reading and trying to decide which Colt is going to have my name on it. Kinda working between a Combat Elite, a Delta Elite or a Rail Gun. The rail gun is definitely in 3rd place, the other two are really neck and neck. It'll probably come down to which one I can find at a decent price.
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I would have gotten my CHL sooner but I have a new wife and other things have taken priority. I am looking to be able to make things work to be able to go get it in the next few month.
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texemtdavid - Noticed that is numero uno post. Welcome to the forum! Or, if ya been lurkin for a while, ' glad to see ya registered.
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ScottDLS wrote:If you carry as a retired officer under LEOSA, aren't there some restrictions that are actually stricter than for a CHL. Like yearly requalification and having to qualify with the particular firearm to be carried?
There are some things that are stricter and the annual requalification is one of them. But there is no legal requirement for me to qualify with each weapon or stick with specific weapons. Some departments require that for their officers, but their rules do not apply to retirees. The federal law simply says must meet the state's standards for active officers. Some might consider that qualification test a little harder also, but it is really a low standard too. Yeah, probably not as low as the CHL test but very close to it.
CHL lasts 5 years, and presuming you get SA version virtually no restrictions on type of gun. I know you mentioned you are a currently a reserve PO in Texas, but were you not and were carrying under the retired provisions of LEOSA, wouldn't you have significant benefit?
Sorry, but I need to clarify this part. I am not currently a reserve officer. When I left TABC, I did think about it and have looked at doing it a little. But I went back to college instead. I started working on a doctorate (which will probably change soon) and it eats up all my spare time so I cannot serve as a reserve.

If I were a reserve, I would have all of the benefits in this area of any other active peace officer, so CHL would not apply.
Oh and you could get your original CHL with PO discount and I believe even a waiver of the shooting requirements by using your status as a reserve Texas PO. Right?
I think that this would be correct for peace officers, including reserves. The really crazy part to this is there is one requirement that might be even harder. For a peace officer to get a CHL, the agency administrator has to sign for it and a lot of administrators do not want to do this. They don't want the "liability" for it and are worried that it means they cannot disarm their officer if they suspend him for something. Politics get involved, of course.
No criticism intended, just think there might be some benefits for you. Personally I carry several concealed carry permits in addition to Texas and once it helped me when Texas took longer than the statutorily allowed time to renew my CHL and I carried w/ a Florida CWFL for about 20 days.
Well, as a retired officer, I have a few stricter standards to meet - such as the annual qualification. But I also get to carry anywhere in Texas a regular officer can and can carry in any state without regard to reciprocity. There are a few places I have been warned will arrest anyway and try to fight LEOSA, but this is dying out since there has been a nationally publicized case. I would certainly hate to try New York or New Jersey on it, and I have been told California will still arrest for an officer carrying a high capacity magazine.

As I said, I think the main benefit to me might be the waiver of the NICS. You are correct about the annual qualification instead of the 5 year one, but I don't see that as a significant thing right now. It might come up later on though.
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Thanks for the insight. I wanted to hear your thoughts on LEOSA carry.
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Actually, getting my CHL has had a negative effect re my wife and adult children carrying. Wife says she probably will not pursue it because I "always carry and she never goes anywhere without me. So, she feels safe" Second oldest daughter (51) says same thing, essentially its my job to take care of the family". I could frighten them into reconsidering but that's not the way I want them to approach the idea of self-defense.
Hopefully when nice outdoor weather returns to North Texas I will be able to get all of them out to a range for some paper shredding then we will be able to discuss the practicality of everybody lining up behind me if a threat arises.
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1wise1 wrote:Actually, getting my CHL has had a negative effect re my wife and adult children carrying. Wife says she probably will not pursue it because I "always carry and she never goes anywhere without me. So, she feels safe" Second oldest daughter (51) says same thing, essentially its my job to take care of the family". I could frighten them into reconsidering but that's not the way I want them to approach the idea of self-defense.
Hopefully when nice outdoor weather returns to North Texas I will be able to get all of them out to a range for some paper shredding then we will be able to discuss the practicality of everybody lining up behind me if a threat arises.
I have the reverse problem. Mom won't get it because she still thinks that a gun on the counter magically shoots by itself (strange... we've had over 20 guns in the house since the day my parents married, which was about 10 years before I came along...). Dad won't get it because he works from home. When he goes into the office, his job won't let him, and when he goes out, he figures he'll be fine. (Brother in Iraq doesn't count. He doesn't need a license to carry his M-9 right now)... So I'm the only one. Mom is terrified that I carry (thinks it's going to go on a shooting rampage by itself), Dad thinks it's stupid, and brother is like 6000 miles away... ARGHHH!!!

On the bright side, my good friend (female, but not a girlfriend...) lived in a bad place before moving to a safer part of town. She's 100% convinced that if I help her find a gun for a decent price, she'll get a CHL. Since she can't afford the class, a holster, or a gun, I'm planning on getting her a Bersa .380 or something for a CHL class graduation present... And a holster to go with it... So with any luck, she'll be carrying by the time school starts again after summer (hopefully with campus carry next year) :fire

Sorry to sorta hijack your thread... my thoughts have a nasty way of ending up projected through the keyboard before I realize I've typed this much...
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1wise1 wrote:Actually, getting my CHL has had a negative effect re my wife and adult children carrying. Wife says she probably will not pursue it because I "always carry and she never goes anywhere without me. So, she feels safe" Second oldest daughter (51) says same thing, essentially its my job to take care of the family". I could frighten them into reconsidering but that's not the way I want them to approach the idea of self-defense.
Hopefully when nice outdoor weather returns to North Texas I will be able to get all of them out to a range for some paper shredding then we will be able to discuss the practicality of everybody lining up behind me if a threat arises.
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firefighter3217 wrote: Dad won't get it because he works from home. When he goes into the office, his job won't let him, and when he goes out, he figures he'll be fine.
Working from home is no excuse. Bad guys break into homes, too.

I work from home, too. My husband not only insists that I keep the doors locked 24/7, but also encourages me to carry while at home. Ok, maybe not quite that so much as makes sure there are guns readily available. But because I move about the house some during the day (kitchen for snack/food, etc), I just tend to strap on a fanny pak w/gun and forget about worrying where the nearest firearm is in case of emergency.
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LikesShinyThings wrote:
firefighter3217 wrote: Dad won't get it because he works from home. When he goes into the office, his job won't let him, and when he goes out, he figures he'll be fine.
Working from home is no excuse. Bad guys break into homes, too.

I work from home, too. My husband not only insists that I keep the doors locked 24/7, but also encourages me to carry while at home. Ok, maybe not quite that so much as makes sure there are guns readily available. But because I move about the house some during the day (kitchen for snack/food, etc), I just tend to strap on a fanny pak w/gun and forget about worrying where the nearest firearm is in case of emergency.
That's smart. It's amazing how quickly things happen. In the unlikely event of a home invasion (but unlikely events is what ccw is all about!), I think most would be surprised how easily it would be to get separated from their fire arm, even if they have several throughout the house.
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LikesShinyThings wrote:Working from home is no excuse. Bad guys break into homes, too.
A CHL is not required to carry a handgun at home.
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tacticool wrote:
LikesShinyThings wrote:Working from home is no excuse. Bad guys break into homes, too.
A CHL is not required to carry a handgun at home.
I know. In getting my ideas down, I forgot to nail home the rest of the thought - by having my CHL, I can have my gun on me at all times, and not have to REMEMBER (big challenge some days), or fuss with, taking it off before I run out on any errand that might come up in the middle of the day. If I don't have CHL, I'm less likely to carry around the house.

Actually, though, I think there's more to it for me than just that - obviously I CAN carry at home without CHL. However, carrying at home and having CHL are both signs of a similar mindset and acknowledgment. It means I recognize that while the world is mostly a good place, and the chance of my encountering danger is low, I also recognize that there are bad guys out there, ones who do not have my best interests at heart. And since BGs don't advertise when and where they are going to strike, it behooves me to comport myself accordingly... hence the acquisition of my CHL, and the daily carry even at home.

Bottom line, I guess I see the "I work from home" excuse as just that, and a symptom of "Head in Sand" disease. I cured myself of that once, and work hard at preventing a re-infection.

I hope this isn't getting too far into thread drift.
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LikesShinyThings wrote:Bottom line, I guess I see the "I work from home" excuse as just that, and a symptom of "Head in Sand" disease. I cured myself of that once, and work hard at preventing a re-infection.
I agree having a CHL is a good idea for responsible gun owners who don't have another authority to carry in public. However, I wanted to point out that someone who is homebound (aka a "shut-in") by infirmity or by choice may have no use for a CHL, because they can already carry on their own property.
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