not allowing students with weapons to attend his classe

[RPB]

restaurant is a private business
State University, and contractors who get State money, are regulated more by the State than Private companies.

What gets me is I'm wondering if miniskirts are required so no thigh-holsters can be used, or if Spandex or those speedo bathing suits are ok.

Seriously one A&M prof said he'd require all students to wear tight clothing so he could inspect their curves better.

[WildBill]

restaurant is a private business
State University, and contractors who get State money, are regulated more by the State than Private companies.

What gets me is I'm wondering if miniskirts are required so no thigh-holsters can be used, or if Spandex or those speedo bathing suits are ok.

Isn't there a saying about this type of stuff?
Too much information.

Seriously one A&M prof said he'd require all students to wear tight clothing so he could inspect their curves better.

Once I had a [pervert] professor [like that] who said that he would give A's to all of the females if they sat in the front row.

[Reloader]

Years ago, I carried to night school. I carried three; only one professor knew cause he was a shooting buddy.I escorted all the girls to their cars after class to make sure that they left safely. Never had a problem, even though 7 girls were raped by the campus police and 12 were robbed before they figured out who was doing it. I carried one on rt. hip, one on ankle, and one in left pocket; I hated carrying reloads except for the .45 on my hip. 2 extra mags. All holsters we Greg Kramers.

[srothstein]

I agree. An interesting precedent would be whether a restaurant may refuse to serve a police officer who is legally carrying. Obviously the police officer is legally allowed to carry, but does that place a duty on a restaurant to serve them? I think there was something about this in the San Antonio area but I can't find the details.

Landry's in San Antonio used to refuse service to officers in uniform. They were not as worried about the weapons as the fact that the image of officers in uniform implied to some people that the area was dangerous and required extra police protection.

[srothstein]

Perhaps Steve is correct. To a point, a teacher must be able to control their class room environment so that a proper learning environment can be maintained. But as TAM has pointed out, that doesn't mean that they can carry that control to the point of dictatorship. If I don't act or appear in a manner that disrupts the class, the good professor cannot excuse me from attending, regardless of what his personal feelings are. He cannot ask me questions that infringe my personal freedoms.

In most colleges, he can bar you from class for any or no reason. Most professors don't do this without cause, and I doubt sincerely that the school would back him up in the long run if he did bar you without cause, but try disagreeing with a professor about some point and see what happens. I have been pleasantly surprised by some professors who welcome disagreement (as they should) but being barred (and flunked) for disagreeing would nto surprise me.

And he can ask you any question he wants, including infringing on your rights. You are certainly correct about not being obligated to answer, though.

For example, if he asked at the beginning of each session, "anyone who is carrying a firearm, raise your hand", I'm not obligated to respond to him because his request does not trump the TPC which requires me to retain the confidentially of my weapon. He cannot examine me personally to see if he can detect a firearm on me. If, through some fluke of his scrutiny, he detected or thought he detected a weapon on me, he cannot require me to retire from the class, though I admit that such an incident might end up with campus security involved and mushroom out of control.

Here we have an interesting point on Texas law. Criminal Trespass requires simply that the person be acting with the "apparent" authority of the owners. Note that this is not the real authority, just the apparent authority. I would think the average person (read that as jury member) would say the professor is in charge of the room and could legally bar you from it, based on his apparent authority from the school to put him in charge. I would not be willing to bet on an appeals court overturning that decision of fact by the jury either.

If you follow that logic, any public business owner could do the same. The teacher should have even less right to control a building that they don't own and don't control than the owner of a supermarket does.

Business owners do have even more control. They can ask you and bar you for refusing to answer. They can bar you for wearing the wrong color of clothing. They can bar you for carrying a gun if they want. The sole question would be how much apparent authority a professor has.


And for all who posted, I agree that the point of concealed means concealed is of overall importance in cases like this. My point in posting that this is legal was that we might want to make sure there is no such loophole in our laws. Do we want to amend the proposed bill (probably not now) or change the law next session (my suggestion - gives us time to look at how to address this)? We may need to consider some change that says neither the school nor any employee or agent of the school may adopt a policy forbidding guns. I am sure that now that we are aware of this, Charles and the other TSRA staff can figure out how to address this issue much better than I can. But I wanted to point out how we need to consider things like this also.

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[Oldgringo]

Is this the only instructor in the only school that offers that subject?

Take another class, go to another school, sign up with an e-college, this jerk doesn't rule the world and he/she shouldn't disrupt your safe matriculation.

Think outside the box. If enough students boycott his class, he/she may be forced to get a job and you can then .

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[chasfm11]

Is this the only instructor in the only school that offers that subject?

Take another class, go to another school, sign up with an e-college, this jerk doesn't rule the world and he/she shouldn't disrupt your safe matriculation.

Think outside the box. If enough students boycott his class, he/she may be forced to get a job and you can then .

Sometimes, there is no choice about the professor teaching the class. I signed up for two different classes at UT Arlington and didn't know the name of either professor until the first day of class.

The other problem is that students are not given information even if a name is listed. They are not going put in a bio that the guy is an anti-gun jerk. The guberment is now hot to make sure that we have the calorie counts for every item served in every restaurant. It would be nice of professors listed their credentials and biases online. Getting the wrong professor for a critical class is a lot more important than whether I eat a big Mac or not.

[Oldgringo]

Is this the only instructor in the only school that offers that subject?

Take another class, go to another school, sign up with an e-college, this jerk doesn't rule the world and he/she shouldn't disrupt your safe matriculation.

Think outside the box. If enough students boycott his class, he/she may be forced to get a job and you can then .

Sometimes, there is no choice about the professor teaching the class. I signed up for two different classes at UT Arlington and didn't know the name of either professor until the first day of class.

The other problem is that students are not given information even if a name is listed. They are not going put in a bio that the guy is an anti-gun jerk. The guberment is now hot to make sure that we have the calorie counts for every item served in every restaurant. It would be nice of professors listed their credentials and biases online. Getting the wrong professor for a critical class is a lot more important than whether I eat a big Mac or not.

Granted, this is a new issue/question but when I went to college, before cell phones, i-pods, hand held calculators, etc., we used word of mouth to pass along info on the various classes and the instructors.

Good luck.

[b322da]

I think that all this maligning, insulting and outright libel of Professor Krauss is beginning to show widespread immaturity. He is a brilliant professor, who had his latest book, just released, reviewed by the Times just yesterday. There are not many who can write a biography of Richard Feynman, much less understand Feynman's genius, or his field, quantum electrodynamics theory, even a little bit.

This thread reminded me of the review I read yesterday, I ordered the book from Amazon a few minutes ago, and I received it less than a minute later. I am sure that most of you, being Texans, remember Feynman, the guy who rescued the space shuttle program by just sitting down and thinking.

Elmo

(Edited to spell Richard Feynman's name correctly, thanks to a perceptive reader).

[Ameer]

Think outside the box. If enough students boycott his class, he/she may be forced to get a job and you can then .

He probably has tenure.

[WildBill]

I think that all this maligning, insulting and outright libel of Professor Krause is beginning to show widespread immaturity. He is a brilliant professor, who had his latest book, just released, reviewed by the Times just yesterday. There are not many who can write a biography of Richard Feynman, much less understand Feynman's genius, or his field, quantum electrodynamics theory, even a little bit.
Elmo

I wonder what Einstein's position on guns in the classroom would be. If he was anti-concealed carry, I wonder if any of the forum members would boycott his classes and find another professor.

[Ameer]

Brilliant theoretical scientists are sometimes missing common sense.

[WildBill]

Brilliant theoretical scientists are sometimes missing common sense.

That is my point. Do you take a high level science class from a brilliant scientist to learn science or his political views or "common sense"?