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speedsix wrote:

Excaliber wrote:

McKnife wrote:Good shoot for justice.

BAD shoot for accuracy.

Stopping somebody who's trying to kill you isn't a slow fire bullseye exercise, and success or failure is measured by incident results rather than micrometers.

I thought the officers involved delivered outstanding on target accuracy considering the distance, suspect and vehicle motion, and difficulty seeing into the cab of the vehicle.

Just MHO.

...nah, too many shots fired after he stopped shooting, turned, and headed for the truck...we're not talkin' a great distance according to the dashcam...once he got into the truck, I'm agreein' with you...but he never should have made it into the truck...and, no, I haven't been in any gunfights, but success is measured by making your shots count...pistol or revolver shoulda had him before he got back into the truck...

This was a real world gunfight, not a movie version. Without an autopsy report, we wouldn't know if the BG was hit before he got into the truck or not.

He may well have been, perhaps even fatally. Absent a central nervous system hit (which is pretty tough to do on a moving target), we know that someone whose heart is completely destroyed can continue to function pretty well for 15 - 20 seconds on the oxygen still in his system, even though it isn't being replenished.

Just because he didn't react according to the expectations of one shot stop theorists doesn't rule out that the officers were right on target.

...maybe we'll get access to the autopsy report...till then, we won't know for sure...but there's nothing in that video to make us think they hit him then...and we may never know, because they don't release the autopsy results to the general public in Dane County, WI

speedsix wrote:...maybe we'll get access to the autopsy report...till then, we won't know for sure...but there's nothing in that video to make us think they hit him then...and we may never know, because they don't release the autopsy results to the general public in Dane County, WI

You're probably right.

The only hits we could confirm were the ones that went through the back window of the truck. Those appeared to be mostly very much on target.

...of that much, there is no doubt...the media prolly won't consider him important enough to dig out the details...not that it really matters...my remarks were those of an old revolver man who trained that if you blow all your shots without aiming, you're screwed...I guess with the new 17+1 wondernines, you can throw away more than you aim with...but another thing we were taught comes into play...every miss has a lawyer attached to it...oh, well...

speedsix wrote:...of that much, there is no doubt...the media prolly won't consider him important enough to dig out the details...not that it really matters...my remarks were those of an old revolver man who trained that if you blow all your shots without aiming, you're screwed...I guess with the new 17+1 wondernines, you can throw away more than you aim with...but another thing we were taught comes into play...every miss has a lawyer attached to it...oh, well...

Those bits of guidance haven't changed any over the years - they're just as valid today.

With the hi cap magazines, even though they give you more rounds than the revolvers we used to carry, they don't come with any more time.

It's still true that you can't miss fast enough or often enough to win a gunfight.