FWIW, I also cringe, but they (probably) do that so they don't have to remove the gun from the ransom rest to eject and insert a fresh magazine. Removing it and reinstalling it would change the point of impact, and many of the "myths" require extreme, repeatable, accuracy.NEB wrote:I cringe every time I watch the yahoos on Mythbusters chamber a single round without use of a magazine. Of course, their lives don't depend on the reliability of the weapon.
Chambering with an uncocked striker
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Could you please share the source of this "modern" information? I ask only because it goes against everything I've ever been taught about firearms for the last 50 years.george wrote:I can see how it is very bad to attempt to load a round directly in the chamber of a pistol designed 100 years ago with the controlled round feature. The extractor is designed to control the round completely through the firing cycle. (Works like a Mauser bolt action). At the time, I understand the purpose was to enable positive feeding, even if the gun is sideways, or upside-down. The hole in the slide (or chamber in the case of the Mauser) for the extractor is not large enough to allow the hook to spring out over the rim of the cartridge. The advantage to this is that, the case will be extracted, or rip a large portion of the rim off. The bad part, is if you lose the magaine, you can't fire the pistol. Note that some people today have ground off some of the back edge of the extractor, which does allow it to spring over the rim, but defeats the whole philosophy behind the controlled round feed.
However, if you are using a pistol with an external extractor, loading a round directly into the chamber doesn't hurt a thing. The extractor just springs back out of the way. The advantage is, you can load singly without a magazine. The con is, the extractor only grabs a small bit of the rim, and it is possible for the extractor to jump off of a stuck case.
By the way, I have tried shooting pistols held "gangster style" and never noticed any problems feeding.
Obviously, my instructors were not "up to date".
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I have no idea why you think I"m trying to pick a fight. Nothing would be gained by that.
To intentionally and repeatedly do that to any firearm is nothing short of foolish, if it is a firearm you might have to count on to save your life. For a range toy you don't mind breaking, it's a different story.
The tremendous mechanical shock of that slide slamming forward is going to be placed on the relatively small extractor and it's hinge pin (external extratctor). The extractor can probably stand it quite a few times, if there are no flaws in the metal. The pin though is tiny by comparison. I don't see it standing up to much of that abuse.
As has been stated already, in an emergency you must do what you must do. As a routine practice... Well, I'm not abusing any of my pistols that way.
To intentionally and repeatedly do that to any firearm is nothing short of foolish, if it is a firearm you might have to count on to save your life. For a range toy you don't mind breaking, it's a different story.
The tremendous mechanical shock of that slide slamming forward is going to be placed on the relatively small extractor and it's hinge pin (external extratctor). The extractor can probably stand it quite a few times, if there are no flaws in the metal. The pin though is tiny by comparison. I don't see it standing up to much of that abuse.
As has been stated already, in an emergency you must do what you must do. As a routine practice... Well, I'm not abusing any of my pistols that way.
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The material the extractor is made of will play a part in durability as well.
Those with Gen4 Glocks probably know that the extractors for these models are no longer machined - they are MIM parts. They may not have the same durability as the earlier ones.
Time will tell, but I sure wouldn't push my luck unnecessarily with a duty or carry gun.
Those with Gen4 Glocks probably know that the extractors for these models are no longer machined - they are MIM parts. They may not have the same durability as the earlier ones.
Time will tell, but I sure wouldn't push my luck unnecessarily with a duty or carry gun.
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...seems to me there'd be a part to change out early...don't trust MIM on impact parts...newer isn't always better...Excaliber wrote:The material the extractor is made of will play a part in durability as well.
Those with Gen4 Glocks probably know that the extractors for these models are no longer machined - they are MIM parts. They may not have the same durability as the earlier ones.
Time will tell, but I sure wouldn't push my luck unnecessarily with a duty or carry gun.
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That and the slide release will be the first two things I change when I pick up a Glock 19. Well assuming Lone Wolf ever gets any in.
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Letting the slide down on a chambered round forces the extractor to ride up and over the case rim. It'll do it, but this puts additional stress on the extractor and over time creates an increasing risk of extractor breakage. The problem with this risk is that it might not play out at the range - it could happen during your one and only gunfight. That's an "Oops" you only get to see once.
Correct.....I have broken an extractor on a 1911 while doing this with old WW2 surplus steel case 230 gr. ball. Had done it for years with brass not knowing any better. Did it once with steel case ammo, it was time for a new extractor. So it does happen...
Letting the slide down on a chambered round forces the extractor to ride up and over the case rim. It'll do it, but this puts additional stress on the extractor and over time creates an increasing risk of extractor breakage. The problem with this risk is that it might not play out at the range - it could happen during your one and only gunfight. That's an "Oops" you only get to see once.
Correct.....I have broken an extractor on a 1911 while doing this with old WW2 surplus steel case 230 gr. ball. Had done it for years with brass not knowing any better. Did it once with steel case ammo, it was time for a new extractor. So it does happen...