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AndyC wrote: For whatever it's worth, I disagree with him in that respect; JMB didn't randomly hang parts outside the pistol and then checker/serrate them for no reason, so...

Of course, Andy. On that day far away and long ago, as my DI introduced me to the m1911, he gave me, along with my squad-mates, my personal copy of FM 23-35, which we purty-near had to memorize.

So, at the same time he explained to us the difference between a slide stop and a slide release, the booklet he gave us said:

...The Basic Field Manual, Automatic Pistol, Caliber .45
M1911 and M1911A1
1940
....
12. METHOD OF OPERATION.-a. A loaded magazine is placed in the receiver and the slide drawn fully back and released, thus bringing the first cartridge into the chamber. (If the slide is open push down the slide stop to let the slide go forward.)....

I can assure you none of us suggested to him that he might be incorrect.

The weird next step in this saga was when I later had the honor of shooting with the AMU. Our armorer, who we felt probably knew more about the m1911 than anyone other than John Brown, explained how to treat our pride and joy just as my DI had, and if we wanted to stay in this cushy job we had better do as he said. It just may have been a barracks-myth, passed down through the ages for no real good reason. I have often wondered, especially when some young recruit from another platoon would say our DI was a nut. That could lead to a good old-time barroom brawl. He may have been a nut, but he was our nut, and he served us well.

You of course realize I am not pleading a cause, nor can I provide a technical reason for what we were taught. I'm just passing on one of those great old-timer memories which grow more and more dim as time goes by.

Elmo

well, if we can agree that the name, slide stop or slide release, really doesn't matter, why can we not agree that the name clip or magazine really doesn't matter?

srothstein wrote:well, if we can agree that the name, slide stop or slide release, really doesn't matter, why can we not agree that the name clip or magazine really doesn't matter?

Because a "clip" is used to directly load a "magazine" by pushing all the rounds in, in one motion. If you can show me where a magazine can do that to load another magazine, or to load a clip from a magazine, I'll agree. Otherwise, nope, not the same object or function. Hence, different names A slide "stop" can also be used as a slide "release" Hence, call it the name of your choice. But never, ever, call me late for dinner

G26ster wrote:

srothstein wrote:well, if we can agree that the name, slide stop or slide release, really doesn't matter, why can we not agree that the name clip or magazine really doesn't matter?

Because a "clip" is used to directly load a "magazine" by pushing all the rounds in, in one motion. If you can show me where a magazine can do that to load another magazine, or to load a clip from a magazine, I'll agree. Otherwise, nope, not the same object or function. Hence, different names A slide "stop" can also be used as a slide "release" Hence, call it the name of your choice. But never, ever, call me late for dinner

But don't confuse it with the "slide lock" on a Glock! http://www.topglock.com/category/1751-G ... _Lock.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

speaking for the apparent minority of those of us that are longitudinally challenged in the finger/thumb department.... it's either use two hands to charge the weapon, or hang the rear sight on the belt ....regardless of whether it's using the slide stop/release of fully retracting the slide.

just wanted to point out that we can't all just casually flick the slide stop/release with our strong hand thumb without repositioning the gun in hand.


surv

mr surveyor wrote:speaking for the apparent minority of those of us that are longitudinally challenged in the finger/thumb department.... it's either use two hands to charge the weapon, or hang the rear sight on the belt ....regardless of whether it's using the slide stop/release of fully retracting the slide.

just wanted to point out that we can't all just casually flick the slide stop/release with our strong hand thumb without repositioning the gun in hand.


surv

That depends on the gun. Easy on my Glock-17. Impossible (for me, without angling the gun) on my Kimber CDP-II.

AndyC wrote:

mr surveyor wrote:just wanted to point out that we can't all just casually flick the slide stop/release with our strong hand thumb without repositioning the gun in hand.

Point taken, but 1. repositioning is perfectly acceptable and/or 2. one's weak-hand thumb can be used.

I might add that using the weak hand thumb to release the slide as the grip is reestablished after a reload is substantially faster than retracting and releasing the slide with the weak hand.

In my experience, the weak hand thumb method is very fast, but requires more dexterity which may not be available under stress. The hand over slide retraction technique is very reliable even under the diminished dexterity that happens under stress, but considerably slower.

Either one will work, and I use both - the best choice is determined by the circumstances at hand.

it's amazing how one letter out of place, changing one word, can seemingly change the context of a thought.

I typed: "regardless of whether it's using the slide stop/release of fully retracting the slide."

I meant to type "regardless of whether it's using the slide stop/release or fully retracting the slide."

I think you got my point though. I do use my weak hand thumb to engage the slide release, but also practice occassionally for that awkward manuever of turning the gun in my hand so as to reach the slide release with my strong hand thumb. With the potential of actually losing my grip/control of the gun by having to turn it in my hand I am seriously considering more practice with with the "belt method".

surv

b322da wrote:

AndyC wrote: Our armorer, who we felt probably knew more about the m1911 than anyone other than John Brown

Elmo

Who is this John Brown of whom you speak?













Silly me. I thought the 1911 was designed by John Moses Browning.

...John Brown's the one whose body lies moulderin' in the grave, haven't you heard???'
...Browning's body is, too...hence the confusion...moulderin' is moulderin'...