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Re: A Defense to the Prosecution

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paulhailes wrote:
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gigag04 wrote:Someone tell me why/how PC 21.06 is still on the books....


http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/d ... /pe.21.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It does say 21.06 was declared unconstitutional, but 21.01(1) still says pretty much the same thing.
21.01(1) is just a definition and it does not indicate the sex of the persons, the definition is used in later statues such as 21.07. I wondered the same thing about 21.06, I don't understand why they left it in.
By 21.01(1)(B), isn't a colonoscopy "Deviate sexual intercourse"?
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Re: A Defense to the Prosecution

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MasterOfNone wrote:
paulhailes wrote:
C-dub wrote:
gigag04 wrote:Someone tell me why/how PC 21.06 is still on the books....


http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/d ... /pe.21.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It does say 21.06 was declared unconstitutional, but 21.01(1) still says pretty much the same thing.
21.01(1) is just a definition and it does not indicate the sex of the persons, the definition is used in later statues such as 21.07. I wondered the same thing about 21.06, I don't understand why they left it in.
By 21.01(1)(B), isn't a colonoscopy "Deviate sexual intercourse"?
I assume you were joking... but the section deals with sexual matters. I don't know anyone, Dr or patient, who derives any pleasure from a colonoscopy. Many things done in medicine would be otherwise improper/immoral. However I have known of some Drs who did pleasure in some OBGYN matters and once established, lost their license or was in danger thereof.
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wgoforth wrote:
MasterOfNone wrote:
paulhailes wrote:
C-dub wrote:
gigag04 wrote:Someone tell me why/how PC 21.06 is still on the books....


http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/d ... /pe.21.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It does say 21.06 was declared unconstitutional, but 21.01(1) still says pretty much the same thing.
21.01(1) is just a definition and it does not indicate the sex of the persons, the definition is used in later statues such as 21.07. I wondered the same thing about 21.06, I don't understand why they left it in.
By 21.01(1)(B), isn't a colonoscopy "Deviate sexual intercourse"?
I assume you were joking... but the section deals with sexual matters. I don't know anyone, Dr or patient, who derives any pleasure from a colonoscopy.
That doesn't mean it wouldn't meet the statutory definition.
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If a doctor takes a knife and cuts you open, isn't that using deadly force? :lol:
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WildBill wrote:If a doctor takes a knife and cuts you open, isn't that using deadly force? :lol:
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Re: A Defense to the Prosecution

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...maybe not, but the bill he sends for doing it is a crime!!!
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speedsix wrote:...maybe not, but the bill he sends for doing it is a crime!!!
...if he takes out your appendix, then it's armed robbery... :cool:
...if he operates on you at night, you could probably shoot him... :mrgreen:
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WildBill wrote:
speedsix wrote:...maybe not, but the bill he sends for doing it is a crime!!!
...if he takes out your appendix, then it's armed robbery... :cool:
...if he operates on you at night, you could probably shoot him... :mrgreen:

They don't call it medical PRACTICE for nothing! ;-)
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wgoforth wrote:
WildBill wrote:
speedsix wrote:...maybe not, but the bill he sends for doing it is a crime!!!
...if he takes out your appendix, then it's armed robbery... :cool:
...if he operates on you at night, you could probably shoot him... :mrgreen:
They don't call it medical PRACTICE for nothing! ;-)
After all of those years of education and residency, you'd think they would have it down by then.
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Great, I am a Family Nurse Practitioner...guess I am still working at getting it right. :lol:

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Re: A Defense to the Prosecution

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jimlongley wrote:"A defense to prosecution" if I recall correctly, means that you can use it as a defense, at your trial, and it is affirmative in nature, which basically means that you are guilty until you can prove your defense.

IANAL but I have several friends that are, and that is the way I recall their explanations, maybe Charles could chime in on this one?
It's the other way around. At trial, the prosecution must refute the Defense, "beyond a reasonable doubt" in order for the the defendant to be convicted. However, the prosecution does not have to refute the defense simply to charge you. A defense is pretty powerful, though not so much as an exception. To paraphrase Johnny Cochrane... "If the Defense does fit, you must acquit..." "rlol"


The term is a actually defined in the penal code:
Sec. 2.03. DEFENSE. (a) A defense to prosecution for an offense in this code is so labeled by the phrase: "It is a defense to prosecution . . . ."

(b) The prosecuting attorney is not required to negate the existence of a defense in the accusation charging commission of the offense.

(c) The issue of the existence of a defense is not submitted to the jury unless evidence is admitted supporting the defense.

(d) If the issue of the existence of a defense is submitted to the jury, the court shall charge that a reasonable doubt on the issue requires that the defendant be acquitted.

(e) A ground of defense in a penal law that is not plainly labeled in accordance with this chapter has the procedural and evidentiary consequences of a defense.
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