gemini wrote:speedsix wrote:...if he gets 4 million votes, though...he still doesn't have a possibility of being elected...and that kind of voting will have put obummer 4 million votes more ahead of the person who DOES have a possibility of being elected...this is not the election for protest votes or votes on principle...this is the election to remove from office one who's SURELY and steadily destroying our rights and our country...and sending a message that WILL be heard to the rest of the pigs at the trough...we've had MORE than enough...
...this time, it's CRITICAL that we get the UNITED part right...we're facing an enemy who's just as set on destroying America as any we faced in WWII...
I want to get through primarys and convention before I am "forced" to makes a final decision. However, Ron Paul has been consistent in his voting record, has been consistent for years in warning about the financial shape this country is in, has preached basically the same message over and over. I viewed the following link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jboTeS9Okak" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (by Tony Robbins) and I kinda/sorta have a idea of exactly how much trouble financially our country is in.... I mean, I couldn't really grasp money owed in the billion/trillion range. But a few current charts, graphs and visual aides....presto I'm scared.
So, Ron Paul will remain my first choice. Romney will remain my last choice; the "forced" choice of hold my nose while throwing up as I mark the ballot.
BHO is a scoundrel for sure. (recently issued a Executive Order giving the President and Homeland Security/National Defense - Martial Law powers over pretty much everything). Unbelievable. He MUST be defeated. REMOVED from office. STOPPED. Yes, even if I have to choke on my own vomit.
Link:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-off ... eparedness" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
However, the entire Washington crew needs to go. Things wouldn't be this way if they didn't want it so.
That is a very thought provoking video. Thanks for sharing it.
Here's my take. I am an arch conservative, but I'm not a blind idiot. Robbins correctly points out that we don't just have a spending problem, we have a revenue problem. Now, there is a record of tax cuts stimulating the economy, but that only works up to a point. When the hole you're stuck in is too deep, cutting taxes will only dig it deeper. I believe we're in that hole. ON THE OTHER HAND.... I am categorically and absolutely unwilling to pay an additional penny in taxes until I have some assurances that spending will not only stop
increasing (which is what liberals call a "draconian cut" in another one of their classic lies), but that spending must
actually decrease. And politicians yammering about how they will cut spending no longer constitutes "assurances," because they
ALL lie.....even Saint Paul, (R-TX), who has been known to featherbed legislation to benefit his own district.
This means for me that I am unwilling to countenance any kind of tax increase until AFTER I see spending not only reigned in, but actually decreased. On the day that the federal government proposes AND PASSES two consecutive budgets that are in REAL TERMS smaller than the two preceding budgets, I'll tell my representatives that I'm willing to pay a couple of percentage points higher in taxes to accelerate paying off the debt and getting spending back under control. But until then, they can go hang themselves. Their insatiable thirst for popularity is what got us there, now let them pay some of that popularity back by doing hard things. If they can't do hard things, then they are overpaid.
The reason I am so militant about this and insist on real spending reductions before I'll approve of tax increases is that without the reductions, the promises of politicians to get things under control are mere empty words without any other meaning beyond "how can I next rip off the taxpayers?"
Tony Robbins sounds real reasonable in that video, but he doesn't offer a blueprint for how we get to where we need to be. Independents are not a party, and therefore they can only ride the coattails of one or the other major parties if they want to have an effect on the electoral outcome. Therefore, the blueprint is going to have to come from either the democrat or republican parties, and independents are going to have to approve/disapprove of either platform. So for better or for worse, the blueprint is in the hands of the ideologues that Robbin's disagrees with, and no
real solution is going to come from any other source.
Therefore, Independents have to choose between:
A) supporting Obama, and being complicit in the deconstruction of the United States of America;
B) supporting the RNC (and presumably Romney's), and getting behind something which may not be perfect, and may be promoted by lyin' thievin' politicians who are (almost) as bad as democrats, but which will at least reign in
some of the insanity.
C) supporting a third party candidate and throwing the election to Obama.......and being complicit in the deconstruction of America.
I just don't see any other
realistic way than (B) which as a
realistic prayer of reversing that whole hopey changey thing. IF republicans have gotten the message loud and clear (and it isn't a forgone conclusion that they have) then MAYBE we have a chance. We have NO chance if Obama is reelection. Zero, zip, nada. I'm not really interested in Quixotic gestures. Don Quixote was a romantic, AND a well known fool. We have no room left for romantic foolishness in this election.
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”
― G. Michael Hopf, "Those Who Remain"
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