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bronco78 wrote:

3dfxMM wrote:

bronco78 wrote:You do know that the large hole on the back end of the barrel is designed to store a .45 cal round.. YES?

I am thinking that I would have significant difficulties with doing that with my XD9.

Oh, well lucky for you, those can be sold at just a small loss so you can get a grown up gun when your ready.


Just joking...

I have an XD9 SC in the pile, CZ75's, and a few others.. nothing wrong with that caliber, or most of the guns that are made to chamber it...

I should have seen that one coming. :)

My wife (who also carries an XD9) and I are both looking to get a smaller guns (physical size, not caliber). She wants something that will be easier for her to carry on her body somewhere. The gun purse works for some things, but she really doesn't like that she has to be so extra vigilant about her purse. She also doesn't like that she can't leave it in the trunk or put it in another room when we visit family or friends. I wouldn't mind something smaller for use as a BUG. We are almost certainly going to get some in a nice .45 caliber. :)

When we first got our XDs I wasn't planning to carry with one in the chamber. While I was waiting for my plastic to arrive, I wore it unloaded, but cocked, in my holster every evening at home. Given that it didn't "fire" even once during two months of doing that, I decided to carry with one in the chamber when I got my plastic. Now, it always has one in the chamber unless I run it empty at the range or it is being cleaned.

I carry +2.

(Primary & BUG are both ready to go.)

My handguns are always condition 1 whether they're on me, in my glove box, or at home.

You might as well have it unloaded, in your glovebox, in your car. Or in a safe in your closet.

Yes!

74novaman wrote:The main reason to carry with one in the chamber is the amount of time you lose by drawing, racking the slide, orienting yourself on target, and then firing.

I'll issue a standing bet for $100 to anyone who thinks that they can be just as fast engaging a target without one in the chamber.

The rules:

10 yards at a B-27 target.

Similar condition of readiness (both in similar holsters, or low ready position whatever you prefer)

I'll have a round chambered, and you don't.

Whoever hits the target first wins $100.




Somehow I doubt anyone is going to try.

If you won't bet $100 that you can be "fast enough" to chamber a round and engage a threat on a static range, why would you bet your LIFE that you could be fast enough to do so in the real world?

Just some food for thought.

I carry condition one and am not advocating condition 3; but I would bet on this guy over others. (fast forward to 1 min if youre impatient)

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Jim Beaux wrote:I carry condition one and am not advocating condition 3; but I would bet on this guy over others. (fast forward to 1 min if you're impatient)

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In a "10 yards at a B27" challenge, he'll probably do okay with that modified presentation. And let's admit that isn't from realistic concealment, but from "sort of" concealed.

Too, note that he doesn't move off the "X" as he executes; he just does a "High Noon" and stands in the same place throughout.

Not a good idea. One wonders if he could execute as well if he were forced to move five feet to one side as he draws and fires.

But, for me, the single biggest fallacy of the Israeli technique has always been that it expects you to have both hands available to execute it. For some military or security applications and training, that may be a reasonable baseline expectation.

For civilian concealed carriers, though, the best statistics we have show that encounters outside the home are far more likely to occur at distances of less than 10 feet, not at 10 yards. In fact, 81% of fatal encounters are at six feet or less; an additional 9% occur between six and 15 feet.

For me, the lesson is that you need to understand how to defend yourself while bringing your handgun effectively into play at extreme close quarters. That most likely means you'll be fighting or fending with your offhand. And that you'll be moving your feet; you won't be standing static.

While there are ways to train to rack that slide if your offhand is occupied or injured, none of them are optimum...or very fast...or very efficient if you're moving your feet. And they all leave you more susceptible to the bad guy(s) being able to foul the operation.

Just for the sake of correctness and posterity, the "Zero" to "Four" condition designations for a handgun were coined by The Colonel, Jeff Cooper.

Cooper's handgun of choice was the 1911. So, technically:

• "Condition Zero" is topped magazine in place, round chambered, hammer cocked, and safety off.
• "Condition One" is topped magazine in place, round chambered, hammer cocked, and safety on.
• "Condition Two" is topped magazine in place, round chambered, hammer down.
• "Condition Three" is topped magazine in place, empty chamber, hammer down.
• "Condition Four" is no magazine, empty chamber, hammer down.

With the advent of striker-fired handguns, we have to allow some creative interpretation based on Cooper's intent.

For example, Glocks have no manual safety but the striker can be released, so I believe Cooper would say they cannot technically be in Condition One or Condition Two. Same for XDs that have no manual safety. The 1911 that Cooper preferred has the passive grip safety, so I believe the passive safeties on Glocks, XDs, etc. would not qualify as Condition One. And you can't release the hammer (striker) on these guns if you have chambered a round.

Yeah, there are some semantics around whether the Glock in particular has a "cocked" striker or not (the IDPA has decided the XD absolutely does), but the fact is that the striker is still "prepped" and can be fired without the machinations typical of a DA action. For me, the determinant is that you can dry-fire a Glock. Once you cycle and dry-fire it, the striker is released: the "hammer" is down. But you can't chamber a round and then release the striker without firing that round. So no Condition One or Two.

Similarly, most auto-decockers--or DA/SA guns--can be safely carried in Condition Two, which is highly discouraged for SA-only guns. But decockers are designed for the very purpose of allowing a safe release of the hammer on a chambered round. Then allowing the pistol to be fired with a heavy trigger-pull that both cocks and releases the hammer. That, IMHO, is the main feature that has sold millions of Berettas to the U.S. military forces.

I'm just sayin'. We all know what we mean by "Condition One." And I accept that a Glock with one in the pipe and holstered is effectively in Condition One.

I just wanted to note that Colonel Cooper might take a different view...

Every day

Always

I am an old man (67 years young). I don't have the strength or quickness I once had. Yes, I carry one in the chamber. I hope I never have to use the gun I carry for defensive purposes, but if the need should ever arrive, Id not want to be burdened by the extra time required to rack the slide and then get back on target. In a life and death situation, I want every advantage I can get.

tornado wrote:I carry +2.

(Primary & BUG are both ready to go.)

Speaking of "bug" I know a dog named Bug. I now call him Back up!

Dallas wrote:Just curious how many have one in the pipe and ready to fire.
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Carry around the house for a while with a snap cap. When I got my Glock 26 I did so, while mowing, pulling weeds, doing housework, and on and on. Guess what, its true. Keep your finger off the trigger and you'll be good. Just have a quality holster and practice holstering and pulling with a snap cap in the chamber.

Condition 1, everyday.
If "cocked and locked" isn't working for you, try a deckocker model like the CZ PO1.