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barstoolguru wrote:
As far as the purses go women that carry a gun in them do so in the main compartment because they don't know any different or don't care. .

This kind of a statement is just not verifiable as fact. I know a LOT of ladies that purse carry. Vast majority of them have official gun purses. The rest that I know have a purse w/ a compartment that holds nothing but their gun.

I personally do not know any woman that carries in a compartment w/ Other stuff.

Sir, in this thread you are sure living up to your name.

longtooth wrote:

barstoolguru wrote:
As far as the purses go women that carry a gun in them do so in the main compartment because they don't know any different or don't care. .

This kind of a statement is just not verifiable as fact. I know a LOT of ladies that purse carry. Vast majority of them have official gun purses. The rest that I know have a purse w/ a compartment that holds nothing but their gun.

I personally do not know any woman that carries in a compartment w/ Other stuff.

Sir, in this thread you are sure living up to your name.

I did a quick search and there sure are a lot of guns going off in purses, I would like to think they all were carrying in bags that are designed for guns but it sure don't sound like it...... back to my barstool

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Sounds like four good examples of the wrong gun or the wrong purse.

wgoforth wrote:All of us are biased to our favorite guns...otherwise they wouldn't be our favorite! And like to a caliber size. The caliber war will go on till the cows come home, and doubt that anyone really disagrees with the concept that bigger is better.

I would like to offer a thought of caution though in telling folks what ~they~ should get, or should have gotten or criticizing choices made. In CHL classes you probably heard the term "totality of the situation" (if not, you should have). This also applies to gun choices.

That fellow who carries a .32 may have severe arthritis in his wrists or neck and that little .32 be all he can take to be willing to practice with. His clothing requirement at work may require a .380 mouse gun at max. We may browbeat them into getting a Glock 26 that they now are not willing to practice with. Have we helped them? Then,you throw this in...I encourage spouses to find a gun that works for both of them and carry matching guns so they can swap mags in a fight, or if accidentally grabbing the others gun it doesn't confuse. So now finding one that fits both people limits it further.

I have seen little ladies with arthritic gnarled fingers in my class who could not hold a 9mm firmly in recoil. It jumped all over the place to the point of looking dangerous.

I guess the older I get the more understanding I am of what folks have to do in their lives to compromise for their lifestyle.

Anyway, just some thoughts about considering another guys choices.

Carry on!

That's true if people have actual physical limitations. However, many people carry a smaller gun because it's convenient, not because they're incapable of handling or concealing a more effective handgun if they try.

If somebody says they can only afford to save is $10 per week, maybe that's true. However, if they're spending $30 per week on lattes, it's tough for some of us to believe they can only save $10 per week.

Keith B wrote:A lot of new shooters get bad advice

And this is really the only time where I feel the obligation to step in and simply encourage a new shooter/CHLer to try out some different guns...especially if they are going to buy a gun because "so-and-so told me to," or because "that's what Jack Bauer carries." For example, when my MIL pursued a CHL and was looking into buying a gun, I thought she could handle a 9mm (she shot mine several times and liked it). But she ended up getting a .22. BIG difference, but I supported her, because she had tried everything from 22s to 45s in all different brands over a 3 hour period at the range. Plus, with it being her first gun, I know that most people need to "work their way up."

wgoforth,
I really liked your opening post! I carry an LCP, yeh, it's a small gun, a small caliBer. I'm a small lady, with small hands and my right one is not real strong (over 40 years of hand work) I like my LCP. I can hide it and more importantly I WILL carry it (and that's the point). I did try to look at a 9 mm, but the salesman had apparently been sucking lemons all morning (attitude, people, attitude ), so he missed a sale.

Barstool,
you sited 4 articles about guns going off in purses and one of those was from DU, so let's take that one out, making that 3....and you call that alot?? everyone I know who carries in a purse, weather in a "gun" purse or not, carries in a separate pocket, with nothing else in it, except possibly her license.

Can I criticize someone for carrying a Hi-Point?

SpringerFan wrote:Can I criticize someone for carrying a Hi-Point?

Lol, yeah for carrying an ugly gun! :D

SewTexas wrote:wgoforth,
I really liked your opening post! I carry an LCP, yeh, it's a small gun, a small caliBer. I'm a small lady, with small hands and my right one is not real strong (over 40 years of hand work) I like my LCP. I can hide it and more importantly I WILL carry it (and that's the point). I did try to look at a 9 mm, but the salesman had apparently been sucking lemons all morning (attitude, people, attitude ), so he missed a sale.

Barstool,
you sited 4 articles about guns going off in purses and one of those was from DU, so let's take that one out, making that 3....and you call that alot?? everyone I know who carries in a purse, weather in a "gun" purse or not, carries in a separate pocket, with nothing else in it, except possibly her license.

Thank you, that is exactly the kind of thing I am pointing to. You know what you will carry for now, and that beats the one you won't. Just be proficient and all should be well.

SewTexas wrote:wgoforth,
I really liked your opening post!

this is a very good post/topic. In my case I carry a S&W BG 380... very easy to conceal and does not require me to change the clothes I wear. Fits great with a pocket holster in the front pocket of my dockers or slacks that I usually wear. I have put over 700 rounds since I acquired it in late May and I'm very proficient with it from 7-10 yards or closer. Is it the perfect gun? No, but meets my needs, fits my clothes and I have been carrying it every day since I got my license last month...

SewTexas wrote:wgoforth,
Barstool,
you sited 4 articles about guns going off in purses and one of those was from DU, so let's take that one out, making that 3....and you call that alot?? everyone I know who carries in a purse, weather in a "gun" purse or not, carries in a separate pocket, with nothing else in it, except possibly her license.

Yes I do, how many does it take? What is the magic number to get a point across? What your friends might do might be different from what others do.
an ND of any kind is bad and as far as I know if the gun is in a separate section OR in a bag made for it IT SHOULDN''T GO OFF. I know on NO guns doing off in holsters all by them self’s
back on topic

In defense of big guns, Clint Smith talks about his carrying a .45 1911. He said folks say, "That's a BIG gun." He replies "Yeah, and it looks big when you point it at people too." He definitely has a point.

A moderators word to all who choose to carry a smaller caliber gun than barstoolguru thinks you should &/or in a carry manner he has not personally approved on this board.

So far he has not broke any rules of posting on this board that I have seen.

I confess sir (whether by accident or by design) you do come across very often as condecending, repremanding, & somewhat self satisfied w/ your supperior knowledge.

Therefore, I encourage all:
new shooters,
new to carry,
you that are experimenting & learning how/what you want to carry,
you that are getting over the Wally Walk Worries of printing,
learning about gear that suits your personality.
deciding what meets your personal daily threat level,
in general making your own decisions about your lifestyle of carry.

Look at all the encouragement you have in this thread & others from the member that have been here on a regular & daily basis for yrs & for several thousand posts vs a relatively new member w/ 300+ posts at this time.
We as Mods & the VAST majority of our members who have yrs of training & yrs of experience at daily carry:
value your presence.
value your participation.
We are here to encourage & help you find YOUR answers that work best for you in your environment.
Thank you for being here.
LT

what bothers me is when a guy takes his wife or girl friend to buy a gun and doesnt let her choose what fits her best. specially if she wants one with pink grips. I guess the guy figures its really his gun.

you can take me as you wish and I hold no animosity, this is a” discussion board” and that is what we are doing so hate the massage and not the messenger.
In all fairness I made a statement and backed it with some proof of why I thought it was correct. It may not sit well with others but then there are a lot of things in life that don't.

My statements are just that, they are based on my 50 something years of shooting, hunting, military training and small business owner, hand loading and reading.
Small guns are fine but in MY option they don't have what it takes to be a defense gun. Unlike some of you I don't sell a service or product so I can be objective, condescending, opinionated... and whatever else you said but one other thing you need to add to the list is HONEST, I am not one to sell something and give them a false sense of hope thinking it is going to do the job.

At any given time I never said don't buy a small gun, I have a few of them but IMO they don't have what it takes to be defense gun. Too many times we are accommodating..."I want a pink one that one is too big it won't fit in my purse, I can't wear my hip huggers if I have to carry that.
We see this all the time in civilian life and the military too. ONE of the reasons the army went to a 9mm is because new recruits can’t handle a .45 so we accommodated them.

I wonder when someone has a class of older people and told them that a small gun won’t do any good as far as creating enough “neural shock” to the nervous system to STOP a threat or that 25 auto won’t stop drugged up crack head on a 4 day high and was looking for more money because it doesn’t create enough tissue damage to do so would they recommend the class or come back?

one thing I can say about my CCW class instructor he was honest about guns and their ability to do what we carry for and that is small guns are worthless in defense situations. there is a reason why the state of Texas has a minim on the size of the gun you can qualify with and that is the same reason I am against them too.

Anyone can sell you “peace of mind” but are they going to be there when that “peace of mind” fails?

the member that have been here on a regular & daily basis for yrs & for several thousand posts vs a relatively new member w/ 300+ posts at this time.

It is a shame that you judge another by the number of posts, instead of the context of those posts. so what I will do is give you the same challenge you gave me. Show one quote or article of another known writer that says a .22, .25, .32 are great self-defense guns. Just an FYI all of the calibers you say are good defense guns started out as rim fire cartages and where made for indoor shooting; pallor games for the rich