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Here's a "big ol' gun", a Ruger P97, carried OWB, a double mag carrier, plus a Taurus M85UL in a pocket holster. The Taurus disappears into the front pocket, but I pulled it partway out for the last photo.

The Ruger conceals quite well when I dress like this.

I defy anyone to "see" what I'm packing. you really can't tell.
that's not supposed to be an arrogant statement, it's just that you can't tell!
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*edited to add* that's a Beretta 92, with a 20rd mag. crazy, huh?
you see, when I go to WalMart (to buy ammo, of course!), no one knows it's there. if I need to bend over to pick something up, I just grab the bottom of my shirt, and try to bend predominately at the knees (good ergonomics, btw). this also helps me from exposing the "real" evil, Plumber's Crack!!!

I carry a Kimber Ultra 1911 in shorts and t-shirt, and two extra mags, and my wife doesn't even know I am carrying unless she sees me strap up. She usually assumes I have it though(and she is usually correct...).

Concealment is all about a good holster and a good belt.

Cyphur, not being a snob, but your 2nd quote in your signature was not unknown but was written by George Orwell. I have read all his stuff.

http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/George_Orwell

I just dont know how some of you guys can carry 3 o'clock, it is so uncomfortable to me, and i only carry a little .380.

Maybe walking around is ok, but sitting or driving i just cant do it.

The most comfortable carry is 6oclock small of back. Sometimes i dont even remember its there.

Like right now, i didnt even pay attention to it untill i started typing this :)

dihappy wrote:I just dont know how some of you guys can carry 3 o'clock, it is so uncomfortable to me, and i only carry a little .380.

When the Good Lord was passing our rear ends....I turned around to talk to someone and he put mine in the front

Carrying a gun much past 3 o'clock just leaves the bottom of the holster swinging in free space!
Jason

dihappy wrote:I just dont know how some of you guys can carry 3 o'clock, it is so uncomfortable to me, and i only carry a little .380.

I can't carry any other way. I can't do "appendix carry", nor anything past 3:30. My "stuff" has to be at 3 and 9, or it's digging into places where I didn't even know I had places. Too far forward, the muzzle digs into the thigh/groin. Too far back, the grip/slide gouges my back. 3:00 is juuuust right.

As for 6:00/SOB carry, I agree that it's the most comfortable and best concealed method when standing and walking. But sitting/driving is a different matter, and squatting down, no matter how much you bend your knees and keep your back straight, is going to produce a "low Quasimodo", visible to all.

But, that's me. We're all built differently. I'm 5'10", 230-ish, broad shoulders, straight back, flat butt. My beloved, although she's my match in height/weight, has a short torso and high waist, and she can't even begin to carry like I do and still conceal.

Find what works for you. Nobody else's experience matters, unless your bodies are a close match.

Kevin

dihappy wrote:I just dont know how some of you guys can carry 3 o'clock, it is so uncomfortable to me, and i only carry a little .380.

Maybe walking around is ok, but sitting or driving i just cant do it.

The most comfortable carry is 6oclock small of back. Sometimes i dont even remember its there.

Like right now, i didnt even pay attention to it untill i started typing this :)

Since we are all built differently, we must all carry a little differently.
The important thing is not so much where, but that it is THERE in the same place every time. Where you reach for it, it is there.

dihappy wrote:I just dont know how some of you guys can carry 3 o'clock, it is so uncomfortable to me, and i only carry a little .380.

Maybe walking around is ok, but sitting or driving i just cant do it.

The most comfortable carry is 6oclock small of back. Sometimes i dont even remember its there.

Like right now, i didnt even pay attention to it untill i started typing this :)

I will admit to the relative comfort of SOB carry but it's not without it's disadvantages. For starters...It's slow and I defy you to prove otherwise on a shot timer. There certainly are slower concealment options but with this one in particular, I see too many potential problems. The biggest of them is the hazard presented by having a hunk of metal on your spine should you take a fall or impact from the rear.

jbirds1210 wrote: Carrying a gun much past 3 o'clock just leaves the bottom of the holster swinging in free space!
Jason

If you choose the right rig, appendix carry (well forward of 3 O'clock) is a positon worth considering. For year's we've dismissed it as "felon carry" but with the right holster and clothing to match, appendix carry is VERY fast and potentially fixes some retention and concealment issues presented by strong-side carry. Of course, many of us are distracted by the fact the muzzle rests very near parts we hold dear. I've got too much "dunlap" to seriously consider this option right now but for the skinnier guys, I think it's something to think about.

O I agree GC, SOB is slow but its the only way i can comfortably carry.

Im guessing that i would be more comfortable carrying 3 o'clock if i were to lose some weight. My luv handles just dig in too much for me to carry 3 o'clock, and it just makes me look too wide in the hips unless i wear a really baggy shirt.

I dont know how id even try it with a 1911!

Appendix carry is just out of the question, when sitting my leg comes up right under my gun and i dont wear my pants granpa high enough for it not to bother me :)

I may look into a different holster and try 3 o'clock again. I mean, i really want to. Its much faster than 6'clock.

As for sitting with 6 0'clock, i hardly feel my little .380. Its so flat and my Bianchi holster isnt very wide either. The whole thing just fits snuggly SOB that i dont have to worry much even when bending over for something.

One serious consideration for SOB carry is when you are knocked on your back. It's difficult to get your gun into play when you are knocked on your back. It get's more problematic if the BG is raining punches down on you and his buddy is starting up the boot party.

For starters...It's slow and I defy you to prove otherwise on a shot timer. There certainly are slower concealment options...

Not trying to start an argument...but I'm curious what constitutes "slow".

For years I have read (and heard) the "experts" exclaim that drawing from a shoulder holster is "slow", and I would be happy to prove with a shot timer that it isn't (for me). I imagine the same can be said for other modes of carry such as small of back.

If we are to consider only those modes of carry that allow for the fastest possible draw, then we eliminate quite a few of them. I would submit that any mode of "concealed" carry that allows a person to access their weapon, draw and make an aimed shot in 1-1/2 to 3 seconds is pretty decent. Beyond that, I think we enter the realm of "slow" irrespective of where you carry.

Is faster better? You betcha, but there are so many other things to consider for the average citizen.

Just my .0002 on slow.

fm2 wrote:One serious consideration for SOB carry is when you are knocked on your back. It's difficult to get your gun into play when you are knocked on your back. It get's more problematic if the BG is raining punches down on you and his buddy is starting up the boot party.

Same is true if you get knocked down on your strong side (if thats where you carry). Also, going for your weapon under these circumstances is the last thing you need to be doing IMO.

flintknapper wrote:

If we are to consider only those modes of carry that allow for the fastest possible draw, then we eliminate quite a few of them. I would submit that any mode of "concealed" carry that allows a person to access their weapon, draw and make an aimed shot in 1-1/2 to 3 seconds is pretty decent. Beyond that, I think we enter the realm of "slow" irrespective of where you carry.

Is faster better? You betcha, but there are so many other things to consider for the average citizen.

I agree, speed isn't the only consideration, just have to realize the limitations and adjust accordingly.

fm2 wrote:One serious consideration for SOB carry is when you are knocked on your back. It's difficult to get your gun into play when you are knocked on your back. It get's more problematic if the BG is raining punches down on you and his buddy is starting up the boot party.

What I had in mind was the drawstroke to get to the SOB holster puts your arm into an armbar(chicken wing position). That may get your arm pinned under your body or barred by the BG.

flintknapper wrote: Same is true if you get knocked down on your strong side (if thats where you carry). Also, going for your weapon under these circumstances is the last thing you need to be doing IMO.

I agree going for the gun probably shouldn't be the first thing, very timing dependant among other things. Things like fouled draw, muzzle averted etc.... are usually the result. Of course if your gun gets pinned between you and the ground, that's bad no matter where you carry. I agree that you will have to use your empty hand skill, etc... to get a tool into play. I think that's what you were talking about in your last sentence.

That said, I have seen the draw from the strong side and appendix carry work from the ground.