Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:58 am
And you've learned the hard way why it's best not to say anything to anyone!
Yup. *sigh*Mike1951 wrote:And you've learned the hard way why it's best not to say anything to anyone!
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:39 am
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:59 am
oh that sux.
sorry to hear that.
i learned it as well--never, ever tell anyone you have a chl (except the cops of course). No good will ever come of it. Even if they then gave you permission, there is then an implied expectation of protection, that if you don't fullfill, some lawyer will proally be happy to sue you for.
sorry to hear that.
i learned it as well--never, ever tell anyone you have a chl (except the cops of course). No good will ever come of it. Even if they then gave you permission, there is then an implied expectation of protection, that if you don't fullfill, some lawyer will proally be happy to sue you for.
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:24 pm
You know whom you can trust at work now. You know what will happen to anything you do in front of or tell her. Straight pipeline to the boss. With her second guessing you.
Get a job somewhere else.
Get a job somewhere else.
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:43 pm
Yup,
He should've NEVER even mentioned the topic to ANYONE.
Now he has three choices. Knowing the "tight knit" working group can never be the same for him, he now has to pretend like it's completely OK with him to not be able to even bring his handgun on premises in the vehicle. He has to assume an almost ANTI gun attitude and even mention casually that he didn't go through with the application.
Too expensive or some such thing.
This is something he will find hard to do because he is obviously so much one of us that he had no better sense than to try to "reason" with the boss.
So for him the choices are:
1. Not carry at work or to or from work.
2. Play the "game" as described above and go deep deep carry (Smartcarry or Thunderwear with something really small like Kel-Tec .32/380 or Kahr MK9 [preferrered]).
3. Find other employment as soon as possible and having learned lesson vow NEVER to even mention handgun or CHL regardless of interest on the part of others.
Bif
Defensive Handgun Instructor
He should've NEVER even mentioned the topic to ANYONE.
Now he has three choices. Knowing the "tight knit" working group can never be the same for him, he now has to pretend like it's completely OK with him to not be able to even bring his handgun on premises in the vehicle. He has to assume an almost ANTI gun attitude and even mention casually that he didn't go through with the application.
Too expensive or some such thing.
This is something he will find hard to do because he is obviously so much one of us that he had no better sense than to try to "reason" with the boss.
So for him the choices are:
1. Not carry at work or to or from work.
2. Play the "game" as described above and go deep deep carry (Smartcarry or Thunderwear with something really small like Kel-Tec .32/380 or Kahr MK9 [preferrered]).
3. Find other employment as soon as possible and having learned lesson vow NEVER to even mention handgun or CHL regardless of interest on the part of others.
Bif
Defensive Handgun Instructor
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:06 pm
I have personally started to carry at work in my laptop bag. There is a great open pocket that my IWB holster fits into perfectly. Even the belt clip can grip the lip of the pocket. It keeps it completely secure, and the trigger is covered and safe.
Now, I don't have to worry about being made, since it will NEVER be seen or even brushed against since it is in a bag. And yet, it is still readily accessible and I can convert to waist carry once I'm within the confines of my pickup, if I have to go anywhere after work.
Now, I don't have to worry about being made, since it will NEVER be seen or even brushed against since it is in a bag. And yet, it is still readily accessible and I can convert to waist carry once I'm within the confines of my pickup, if I have to go anywhere after work.
what about....
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:51 am
If it's in a laptop bag, aren't there times when you are leaving it unsecured?
For example, when you leave your office for whatever reason?
If you lock it up at the office, then it's not very accessible.
I have considered using the daytimer variants for one of my Keltecs.
For example, when you leave your office for whatever reason?
If you lock it up at the office, then it's not very accessible.
I have considered using the daytimer variants for one of my Keltecs.
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:11 pm
I don't think your carrying a gun, or even letting someone know, creates ANY expectation of protection. Morally or legally. That is just a non-issue.zeroskillz wrote: i learned it as well--never, ever tell anyone you have a chl (except the cops of course). No good will ever come of it. Even if they then gave you permission, there is then an implied expectation of protection, that if you don't fullfill, some lawyer will proally be happy to sue you for.
Re: what about....
Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:39 am
I appreciate the concern, and yes, there is a very sturdy lock on my lower desk drawer and cabinets which will fit the entire bag nicely. I don't leave it just laying about. Even when I step away from my desk to swing around to the other row, the bag is tucked behind my monitor and out of view. And it is never left in the bag if I need to go anywhere after work. We have already had an employee have a smash-n-grab done on his car for his laptop bag. Besides, it wouldn't do me much good if it was in my bag, and I was inside some store, would it.Rex B wrote:If it's in a laptop bag, aren't there times when you are leaving it unsecured?
For example, when you leave your office for whatever reason?
If you lock it up at the office, then it's not very accessible.
I have considered using the daytimer variants for one of my Keltecs.
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 11:13 am
And now you have a label attached to you. Never, ever, ever tell a coworker anything. You have found out the hard way that people you associate with at work can rarely be trusted.NcongruNt wrote:So an update on this...
Apparently, the coworker told my manager something... not sure what. He said that he heard that I was carrying a handgun at work. I told him no, that I was not, and that I never had. I explained that I was looking into company policies, as my CHL was pending. He told me that having a gun would put others at higher risk, introducing an element of escalation in conflict. I promptly explained to him that a gun is an absolute last resort, only used when life is threatened, and that I would never pull my gun unless there is imminent risk to the life of myself or someone else, and there was no other alternative. I was told not to bring it on the premises unless I was given permission by him.
So that's that.
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:18 pm
NCongruent,
Would you consider bolting a safe to the inside of your vehicle and storing it there? Many here have done it successfully.
Also, have you considered carrying a stun gun?
(And if you do this, keep the info to yourself.)
Would you consider bolting a safe to the inside of your vehicle and storing it there? Many here have done it successfully.
Also, have you considered carrying a stun gun?
(And if you do this, keep the info to yourself.)
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:39 pm
I have a lockbox in my van already. I am also considering a small pistol safe bolted underneath the seat, yes.Venus Pax wrote:NCongruent,
Would you consider bolting a safe to the inside of your vehicle and storing it there? Many here have done it successfully.
Also, have you considered carrying a stun gun?
(And if you do this, keep the info to yourself.)
As far as the stun gun goes, I don't see it as a useful tool. I feel confident that I can handle myself in a physical confrontation. A stun gun isn't gonna help me if someone pulls a gun on me. In a situation where I might find the need to use one (multiple attackers), I can just as easily see myself having it used against me because of the close contact it requires.
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:44 am
I hadn't really thought about it until now, but if someone had gun drawn and pointed at you, and they were then hit with a stun gun, wouldn't their grip tighten upon the shock and thereby inadvertantly pull the trigger? Just curious, but if so that might be one reason to NOT use a stun gun in self-defense situation.NcongruNt wrote:A stun gun isn't gonna help me if someone pulls a gun on me.