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Does a belt fed semi-auto PKM fall into the "detachable 10 round magazine" category?
It isn't designed to hold a detachable magazine at all.

Carry-a-Kimber wrote:Does a belt fed semi-auto PKM fall into the "detachable 10 round magazine" category?
It isn't designed to hold a detachable magazine at all.
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As I recall belt fed weapons are included.

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I'm still fairly new to rifles. . . so please bear with me:

Why would somebody prefer a rifle chambered in a handgun caliber (.357, .44, or .45 Colt) as opposed to a 30/30 or other rifle round?

fickman wrote:I'm still fairly new to rifles. . . so please bear with me:

Why would somebody prefer a rifle chambered in a handgun caliber (.357, .44, or .45 Colt) as opposed to a 30/30 or other rifle round?

So you can use the rounds in a handgun or a rifle. Not knowing anything about ballistics, I would imagine that it would be a very short-ranged rifle.

fickman wrote:I'm still fairly new to rifles. . . so please bear with me:

Why would somebody prefer a rifle chambered in a handgun caliber (.357, .44, or .45 Colt) as opposed to a 30/30 or other rifle round?

A caliber in a rifle platform will generally allow a person to be more accurate than the same caliber used in a handgun platform due to a more stable interface, higher muzzle velocity (longer barrel), and longer sight radius.

gigag04 wrote:

fickman wrote:I'm still fairly new to rifles. . . so please bear with me:

Why would somebody prefer a rifle chambered in a handgun caliber (.357, .44, or .45 Colt) as opposed to a 30/30 or other rifle round?

A caliber in a rifle platform will generally allow a person to be more accurate than the same caliber used in a handgun platform due to a more stable interface, higher muzzle velocity (longer barrel), and longer sight radius.

I understand that the same round would be more effective (faster, more accurate) coming out of a rifle than a handgun.

But if you're looking to buy a rifle, why would somebody choose a rifle chambered in a handgun caliber? Is it just for the convenience of buying one caliber for both pistols and rifles? Cost of ammo? Any other reason?

Without knowing more than I do, if I was looking at a lever action carbine, I'd be inclined to buy a .30-30 instead of one of the pistol calibers.

Just wondering if I'm missing something else.

As said, it's so you can share ammo across platforms. It's sort of an extreme idea, bordering on survivalist mentality and with roots in Old West lore, but the idea is if you lose your handgun you are still able to run your handgun ammo through your rifle in an emergency (or vise versa). This is why pistol-caliber carbines that utilize pistol magazines like the Kel Tec sub2000 and Beretta PX4 Storm are such hot sellers despite much better rifle-caliber semi-auto long guns being available

A-R wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Chris wrote:I own a few WWII era Enfields. For bolt action rifles with ten round magazines, they can sustain a very fast rate of accurate fire. And not a lot of people are taking 303 British off the shelves.

Ruger Gunsite Scout, .308 Winchester, 10 round removable box magazine, 1.5-5x33mm Leupold Scout Scope. Not the same caliber, but a handy bolt rifle in a battle rifle caliber.

TAM, that's an interesting alternative I hadn't considered. Wonder which action I could learn to work faster - bolt or lever?

I love the .308 round, but it does suffer - like 5.56/.223 - from the current ammo insanity with all the M1 and AR-10 clone buyers hoarding it.

Well, I've got a few hundred rounds of .308 on hand, and enough bullets in varying weights/types to load another 400 or so. I have thousands of cases and primers, and enough powder for about another 1300 rounds. I have a ton of handgun brass and primers, but only enough powder for a few hundred rounds, and no bullets on hand at all.....although I've got 230 odd pounds of lead ingots on hand if I want to cast my own. I just got complacent and didn't build up a bullet and powder supply while I had the chance. If I have the opportunity to remedy that, it will be one of the first things I do.

As to cycling speed, I'm sure you can cycle a lever sightly faster than a bolt, and the lever gun would be more useful in CQB, but on the other hand, the bolt gun's effective range is a lot further than the lever rifle's, and if everything works out just so, you won't have to cycle the bolt that fast because you'll be laying down steady, careful, aimed fire at anything inside of 800 yards.

The 30-30 Winchester has a muzzle velocity of roughly 2300 fps. reference. The .357 Mag has a muzzle velocity of roughly 1900 fps in an 18" barrel. reference (Barrel length is not mentioned in the 30-30 page. I assume it refers to a "typical" rifle barrel length of 18-20 inches.) So while the 30-30 has a higher muzzle velocity, the .357 Mag doesn't lag that far behind. Within a "normal" range of say 400 yards, both would be lethal.

The muzzle velocity of the .308 Winchester with a 24" barrel is roughly 2700 fps. reference. It's likely the muzzle velocity wouldn't be much decreased at 20 or even 18 inches. reference.

So while a lever action "short" barrel rifle shooting a pistol caliber will give up some long range capability, at the distances that most people would be shooting them accurately, they'll be just as lethal as a rifle caliber.

.308 Winchester will cost you about 50% more than .357 Mag. 30-30 Winchester more than twice as much.

12+1 in a 24" Rossi 92 doesn't hurt the equation either (or 10+1 in the 20")

Folks, this will only happen if We The People allow it to. Let's stop talking about how we sneak around behind our parent's back (the gubbmint), and start talking about how we keep it from happening. Call and email your representatives EVERY DAY. Flood the phones and email boxes of ALL Senators and House members. They DO pay attention to these things; remember, they want to get re-elected.... If you don't say anything, they figure you don't care, and will do what is most politically expedient for them.....

my contingency plan would be to sit on the arms/ammo I currently have, while still practicing in a fashion that maximizes said amount I am sitting on. I also need to finish my reloading education, happy that I bought the press and some components a smidge ago. Just in case it really goes down, I just; and I mean only moments ago, ordered the Uberti 1860 Army I have wanted for a while. Also a bullet mould to go with it. Obviously, I chose to be paranoid with style. In addition to the work gloves I keep in the glove box(!) of the 4Runner, I have to find a proper slapping glove to initiate honor-bound duels.

I've been waiting patiently for someone to come out with a .500 sw magnum lever action rifle. OH yea you know you wanna put that in a rifle and find out just what how it will perform. Im more interested in it as a rifle than a handgun. Firing the handgun seems to be a exercise of self abuse.