Selling handgun - documentation?

[03Lightningrocks]

" I don't count that as "irrational fear." There is a difference between fear and caution. And, I added later, that in today's climate, I believe there are a lot of pro RKBA folks who do "rationally" fear what gov't is doing or attempting to do. That's all.

Would you consider stopping at a stop sign twice, simply to be sure the cops don't think you ran the sign, rational?

Funny thing that you chose to use the word "rational". Would that be the same word anti gun proponents use when talking of passing stricter gun laws?

I am not sure you realize how close your arguments come to matching the anti gun lobby arguments. It is all about appearing rational while performing irrational deeds.

My only point was that by adding restrictions to private party sales that don't exist by law, we are in essence admitting the laws are not strict enough.

[GrillKing]

My only point was that by adding restrictions to private party sales that don't exist by law, we are in essence admitting the laws are not strict enough.

No, we (some of us) are admitting we don't trust our government and we believe a piece of paper, a bill of sale, may be useful to possess at some point in the future. That is all, no more, no less.

[gringo pistolero]

My only point was that by adding restrictions to private party sales that don't exist by law, we are in essence admitting the laws are not strict enough.

No, we (some of us) are admitting we don't trust our government and we believe a piece of paper, a bill of sale, may be useful to possess at some point in the future. That is all, no more, no less.

If you think a piece of paper will actually help, make up one in Word and print it out. AFAIK, there's no requirement to give your real name for a private party cash sale and even with a real name, I signed "John Hancock" on the last BoS someone sprung on me so good luck with that buddy!

[G26ster]

" I don't count that as "irrational fear." There is a difference between fear and caution. And, I added later, that in today's climate, I believe there are a lot of pro RKBA folks who do "rationally" fear what gov't is doing or attempting to do. That's all.

Would you consider stopping at a stop sign twice, simply to be sure the cops don't think you ran the sign, rational?

Funny thing that you chose to use the word "rational". Would that be the same word anti gun proponents use when talking of passing stricter gun laws?

I am not sure you realize how close your arguments come to matching the anti gun lobby arguments. It is all about appearing rational while performing irrational deeds.

My only point was that by adding restrictions to private party sales that don't exist by law, we are in essence admitting the laws are not strict enough.

Two points. You assign the desire by a seller for a record of sale as "irrational." I prefer the word "cautious." Either way, we're both guessing. You don't want your rights infringed upon by being asked. I believe a seller has the right to ask if they so desire. Neither has to complete the transaction.

As for sounding like the antis, we have let them OWN phrases, so we are now afraid to use them lest sound like them. Instead we should be using the same phrases with a different meaning and promoting it.

"Common sense gun laws" to the antis it means more restriction. To pro RKBA folks it means less restrictions. However, if we use that phrase to describe our point of view, then we're sounding like the antis. We should own that phrase, not them.

"For the safety of our children." One side uses it to describe the benefit of a magazine and weapons ban, and the other side (ours) to describe armed school security. However, if we use that phrase to describe our point of view, then we're sounding like the antis. We should own that phrase, not them.

Just MHO

[GrillKing]

My only point was that by adding restrictions to private party sales that don't exist by law, we are in essence admitting the laws are not strict enough.

No, we (some of us) are admitting we don't trust our government and we believe a piece of paper, a bill of sale, may be useful to possess at some point in the future. That is all, no more, no less.

If you think a piece of paper will actually help, make up one in Word and print it out. AFAIK, there's no requirement to give your real name for a private party cash sale and even with a real name, I signed "John Hancock" on the last BoS someone sprung on me so good luck with that buddy!

And you and I would never do business. You are free to buy or sell elsewhere. As am I. In order to not waste your time, you would know my requirements before we agreed to a transaction. I would expect the other party to do the same for me regarding their requirements. This has nothing to do with supporting the Second Amendment or not. It is two parties engaged in a private transaction and both parties can tender requirements and they can agree or not. I am not infringing on anyone's rights. As an individual I am under no obligation to buy or sell anything that does meet my requirements, whether it be price, method of payment, transaction location, identification or bill of sale. I believe a bill of sale is prudent. I may be wrong, but it is my right to require it to do business with me. Don't like it, shop elsewhere.... I don't like your requirements, I shop elsewhere.

[RPBrown]

The OP asked our opinion on how to complete the sale of a gun. It was answered with several different ways to handle the sale giving him options. These range from just a change of money to FFL. But they are just that, options.

Then the conversation turns to we dont appreciate the RKBA if we ask for ID or a bill of sale. This is the type of in-fighting the anti's are trying to get us to do. "look, they can't even agree themselves".

Besides that, if I want to get a bill of sale, its my business. If you dont want to purchase from me because of it, thats your business. Some folks are a bit more cautious than others. That doesnt mean that they don't truely believe in the RKBA.

[GrillKing]

The OP asked our opinion on how to complete the sale of a gun. It was answered with several different ways to handle the sale giving him options. These range from just a change of money to FFL. But they are just that, options.

Then the conversation turns to we dont appreciate the RKBA if we ask for ID or a bill of sale. This is the type of in-fighting the anti's are trying to get us to do. "look, they can't even agree themselves".

Besides that, if I want to get a bill of sale, its my business. If you dont want to purchase from me because of it, thats your business. Some folks are a bit more cautious than others. That doesnt mean that they don't truely believe in the RKBA.

Agree, you are right. OP, I hope your question was answered. And maybe you were entertained in the process!

[G26ster]

The OP asked our opinion on how to complete the sale of a gun. It was answered with several different ways to handle the sale giving him options. These range from just a change of money to FFL. But they are just that, options.

Then the conversation turns to we dont appreciate the RKBA if we ask for ID or a bill of sale. This is the type of in-fighting the anti's are trying to get us to do. "look, they can't even agree themselves".

Besides that, if I want to get a bill of sale, its my business. If you dont want to purchase from me because of it, thats your business. Some folks are a bit more cautious than others. That doesnt mean that they don't truely believe in the RKBA.

Agree, you are right. OP, I hope your question was answered. And maybe you were entertained in the process!

[03Lightningrocks]

Then the conversation turns to we dont appreciate the RKBA if we ask for ID or a bill of sale.

I can't find a single post where anyone said what you just posted. I know for a fact I never said that.

[gringo pistolero]

Don't like it, shop elsewhere.... I don't like your requirements, I shop elsewhere.

Someone can put any requirement they want in their ad, or speaking broadly in the sales contract. They can require the buyer and/or seller to show ID. They can require the form of ID to be a Texas CHL or a US Passport. They can require the transaction to occur at a specific place on a specific date. They can require a trade for gold or ammo instead of payment in cash. Whatever both parties agree within the bounds of the law.

However, if somebody springs the BoS requirement on me at the last minute, they are not dealing in good faith, to borrow a phrase from earlier in the thread.

[GrillKing]

Then the conversation turns to we dont appreciate the RKBA if we ask for ID or a bill of sale.

I can't find a single post where anyone said what you just posted. I know for a fact I never said that.

I believe (fall on sword) I may have erroneously inferred that from what I perceived as the 'tone' in some of the previous posts in this thread that a person's requirement for a BoS implied less commitment the to RKBA.

My, error. Please accept my apologies for my mistake. I think we are all committed to the RKBA, with different comfort levels for what we believe is needed (personally, not legally) for those private transactions which involve us individually.

Again, my apologies.....

[GrillKing]

However, if somebody springs the BoS requirement on me at the last minute, they are not dealing in good faith, to borrow a phrase from earlier in the thread.

Completely agree. We don't have to agree on any 'requirement' each may have to close the sale, but we should agree we disagree before we meet. No surprises. That's just common courtesy.

[03Lightningrocks]

Then the conversation turns to we dont appreciate the RKBA if we ask for ID or a bill of sale.

I can't find a single post where anyone said what you just posted. I know for a fact I never said that.

I believe (fall on sword) I may have erroneously inferred that from what I perceived as the 'tone' in some of the previous posts in this thread that a person's requirement for a BoS implied less commitment the to RKBA.

My, error. Please accept my apologies for my mistake. I think we are all committed to the RKBA, with different comfort levels for what we believe is needed (personally, not legally) for those private transactions which involve us individually.

Again, my apologies.....

No apologies needed on my end. I was just wanting to make sure nobody thinks I was questioning their commitment to the RKBA. I believe most of us spending time on this web site have nothing but the best of intentions when it comes to the subject of the second amendment.

We may not always agree on how to preserve them or even what constitutes a violation of our RKBA. IMHO... That is OK. We are all on the same team.

[G26ster]

No apologies needed on my end. I was just wanting to make sure nobody thinks I was questioning their commitment to the RKBA. I believe most of us spending time on this web site have nothing but the best of intentions when it comes to the subject of the second amendment.

We may not always agree on how to preserve them or even what constitutes a violation of our RKBA. IMHO... That is OK. we are all still on the same team.

Amen!

[GrillKing]

No apologies needed on my end. I was just wanting to make sure nobody thinks I was questioning their commitment to the RKBA. I believe most of us spending time on this web site have nothing but the best of intentions when it comes to the subject of the second amendment.

We may not always agree on how to preserve them or even what constitutes a violation of our RKBA. IMHO... That is OK. we are all still on the same team.

Amen!

Ditto! Sorry I misread and offended. We are on then same team. Let's go pick on Feinstein or Schumer or.....