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development spurs infastructure

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:23 am
by flechero
While traffic during construction is usually an inconvenience, it's temporary.

When our Walmart was built, they widened the roads leading in, as well as widening intersections, adding turn lanes and a new traffic light... it's MUCH better than before. Costs were split between several public and private entities... which also saved us some tax dollars.

That Walmart has attracted other businesses and that area has become a "happening" area which employs a lot of people and has really helped a community. The ones who didn't like it sold their (formerly residential) property for commercial prices. I see it as a win-win. Those who don't want to shop at Walmart can still drive to the next town and shop at the stores they have always shopped at.

The flip side is that we had an old run down HEB that was so dirty/run down/ gross, that many of our residents would drive to the next town to grocery shop. Now HEB has built a big new flagship store across the street to compete for the grocery business. Even those that hate walmart love the HEB- which happened BECAUSE of the Walmart.

Re: Cibolo residents: 'Move Wal-Mart'

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:31 am
by SewTexas
the problem is WM has chosen a lot that is across the street from a growing church (mine), an elementary school, and down the street from a jr high...and across from lots of sub-divisions, and I do mean these descriptions quite literally. This is making it highly, to put it mildly, unpopular. One of the roads to access this lot is currently a two lane road. :???: It's going to be entertaining to say the least. Rumor has it there is a new HEB in the works in another location....AHHH it all becomes more clear :coolgleamA:

Re: Cibolo residents: 'Move Wal-Mart'

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:16 pm
by RottenApple
SewTexas wrote:the problem is WM has chosen a lot that is across the street from a growing church (mine), an elementary school, and down the street from a jr high...and across from lots of sub-divisions, and I do mean these descriptions quite literally. This is making it highly, to put it mildly, unpopular. One of the roads to access this lot is currently a two lane road. :???: It's going to be entertaining to say the least. Rumor has it there is a new HEB in the works in another location....AHHH it all becomes more clear :coolgleamA:
So why don't you organize the people in the area and ask the landowner to reconsider and/or start raising the funds to buy the land? Complaining to Walmart isn't going to do much, nor is getting the city zoning commission to change the zoning for that lot. The latter will probably even wind up in court and cost the city a lot of money in the end.

Re: Cibolo residents: 'Move Wal-Mart'

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:29 pm
by SewTexas
RA, see pg 1 in this topic, I'm less than 2 miles from the scene, but still a diff town. I don't get to fight in the fight, just voice an opinion. :evil2:

Re: Cibolo residents: 'Move Wal-Mart'

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:44 pm
by RottenApple
SewTexas wrote:RA, see pg 1 in this topic, I'm less than 2 miles from the scene, but still a diff town. I don't get to fight in the fight, just voice an opinion. :evil2:
Whoops. Musta missed that. Sorry. :oops:

But that doesn't necessarily keep you out of the fight. You may not be able to petition the city (bad idea anyway, IMO), but that doesn't or shouldn't stop you from talking to people, talking to the landowner, starting/donating to a fund to buy the land, etc. Heck, I live in Dallas and could do those things if I had a mind to. Just a thought.

Re: Cibolo residents: 'Move Wal-Mart'

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:17 pm
by JALLEN
Jaguar wrote: I thought you were referring to Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations. I almost fell out there for a second - no emotion sure, but fun, short and easy - not so much. :smilelol5:
I was. The article applies some of those principles to another Walmart situation, equally foolish.

Re: Cibolo residents: 'Move Wal-Mart'

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:18 pm
by JALLEN
Who gets the sales tax revenue in Texas? City/county? State? Split somehow?

Re: Cibolo residents: 'Move Wal-Mart'

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:26 pm
by SewTexas
RottenApple wrote:
SewTexas wrote:RA, see pg 1 in this topic, I'm less than 2 miles from the scene, but still a diff town. I don't get to fight in the fight, just voice an opinion. :evil2:
Whoops. Musta missed that. Sorry. :oops:

But that doesn't necessarily keep you out of the fight. You may not be able to petition the city (bad idea anyway, IMO), but that doesn't or shouldn't stop you from talking to people, talking to the landowner, starting/donating to a fund to buy the land, etc. Heck, I live in Dallas and could do those things if I had a mind to. Just a thought.

eh, to be perfectly honest, I've got enough on my plate, I don't need to take on Wally World, too. Frankie's the one who asked for help and opinions then never showed back up.

Re: Cibolo residents: 'Move Wal-Mart'

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:30 pm
by SewTexas
JALLEN wrote:Who gets the sales tax revenue in Texas? City/county? State? Split somehow?

JAllen, in Texas when it comes to businesses everyone should get a piece of the tax pie, all are included in the sales taxes.

Re: Cibolo residents: 'Move Wal-Mart'

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:10 pm
by Jaguar
JALLEN wrote:
Jaguar wrote: I thought you were referring to Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations. I almost fell out there for a second - no emotion sure, but fun, short and easy - not so much. :smilelol5:
I was. The article applies some of those principles to another Walmart situation, equally foolish.
When I read Abraham's response, I initially thought he was referring to Smith's work as "fun, short and easy." That is what I was laughing about. The article does a good job of applying Smith's principles to the current situation, and it is easy to digest.

For the record, I have never read Wealth of Nations, way above my pay grade, although I have read books on the subject. My son graduates from Tarleton State University next month with a double major in Mathematics and Economics. He says people in the Economics department often say Smith is their favorite author, but no one admits to actually reading the whole tome.

Re: Cibolo residents: 'Move Wal-Mart'

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:25 pm
by bizarrenormality
JALLEN wrote:Who gets the sales tax revenue in Texas? City/county? State? Split somehow?
State sales tax rate is .0625. Local government can tax on (up to) an additional 2% for a maximum .0825 total rate.

Re: Cibolo residents: 'Move Wal-Mart'

Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:38 am
by Frankie
Here’s a little update on our local Wal-Mart drama
http://www.ksat.com/news/lawyer-for-cib ... index.html

Again, this isn't a NO WAL-MART campaign, it's all about the location, 300ft from a elementary school and a church, may traffic flow is through a residential area. Residents just Wal-Mart to pick another location more suitable for a huge 24hr retail outlet.