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EEllis wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote: Yeah, but to file a PIR, you have to suspect/know that the incident you're asking about took place. Who in their right mind would suspect that George Zimmerman had gotten pulled over for speeding in Texas........UNLESS THE LEO SHARED THE INFORMATION WITH HIS BUDDIES? Sans that, he's just another shlub getting a ticket by the side of the road to anybody who drives by. Nobody in Tarrant County realistically knew what he drives, or that he was going to be in Tarrant County......and certainly nobody would have had any reason to fill out a PIR for a copy of the dashcam video.

G26ster beat me to posting that inconsistency by 3 minutes.

Well he was trashing the "cops" for releasing the vid not saying how dare the cop mention to someone that he pulled over Z but there are people who do listen to police scanners and would of heard his name and that is not privileged info and I dare say most people would of likely mentioned it to someone if Z had come into their place of work. So?

If my post indicated I believed the LEO released the encounter, that hardly qualifies as "trashing the cops." I was responding to the fact that you said, "All anyone has to do is fill out a request and they have to release it." A simple response that folks have police scanners would have been sufficient.

I love their ignorance as the reporter seems to believe it somehow legally matters a lot that Zimmerman was going no particular place.

EEllis wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote: Yeah, but to file a PIR, you have to suspect/know that the incident you're asking about took place. Who in their right mind would suspect that George Zimmerman had gotten pulled over for speeding in Texas........UNLESS THE LEO SHARED THE INFORMATION WITH HIS BUDDIES? Sans that, he's just another shlub getting a ticket by the side of the road to anybody who drives by. Nobody in Tarrant County realistically knew what he drives, or that he was going to be in Tarrant County......and certainly nobody would have had any reason to fill out a PIR for a copy of the dashcam video.

G26ster beat me to posting that inconsistency by 3 minutes.

Well he was trashing the "cops" for releasing the vid not saying how dare the cop mention to someone that he pulled over Z but there are people who do listen to police scanners and would of heard his name and that is not privileged info and I dare say most people would of likely mentioned it to someone if Z had come into their place of work. So?

Yeah, but aren't police scanners obsolete? I mean, cops don't use analog radios anymore. They've all gone digital, right? That's why they have that laptop computer in their car.

Will someone who's a cop please correct me if I'm wrong....

BTW, welcome to Texas, George. I cook a Texas BBQ brisket so good that grown men will shed tears of joy and thank God they're Texans. You're welcome at my table!

cb1000rider wrote:
Lots and lots of people listen to police band radio. It's even available over the internet. It'd just take one person calling the media.

drjoker wrote:
Yeah, but aren't police scanners obsolete? I mean, cops don't use analog radios anymore. They've all gone digital, right? That's why they have that laptop computer in their car.

"Police scanners" are not obsolete. There are many agencies who have switched to various forms of digital two way radios, but most of those are P25 and there have been several scanners on the market for almost ten years that receive that.

The issue is that Forney used MotoTRBO which is a Motorola digital format that's not even designed for public safety use, but business use. They wanted to switch from analog but were too cheap to switch to P25 so now no one around them can listen.

...Not Kaufman County or Terrell (analog VHF)
...or DPS (P25 VHF but can have analog frequencies programmed)


I've never looked into it, but I think there are ways to monitor a MotoTRBO system but the chances of someone actually doing that, and listening at the exact moment, and hearing the radio traffic correctly enough to put 2+2 together to get 4 is HIGHLY unlikely.


I'm 99% sure the cop started blabbing (I've known cops, they love talking about who they've pulled over) and it went downhill from there.



As for Forney, I pass through that same road twice a day, four days a week. In the last three years I can count the times I've seen a FPD car on a traffic stop on that section of hwy 80 on one hand, after defective fireworks. GZ just had bad luck to get pulled, unless they had a call and he was really flying but just about every does 10mph+ between 6am-10pm.

Gee, same day I got stopped by a Southlake policeman for speeding, had a gun on my hip, got off with a warning; and it didn't make the news at all.
Seriously, Southlake cop let me off with a warning, now that's news!!

G26ster wrote:

EEllis wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote: Yeah, but to file a PIR, you have to suspect/know that the incident you're asking about took place. Who in their right mind would suspect that George Zimmerman had gotten pulled over for speeding in Texas........UNLESS THE LEO SHARED THE INFORMATION WITH HIS BUDDIES? Sans that, he's just another shlub getting a ticket by the side of the road to anybody who drives by. Nobody in Tarrant County realistically knew what he drives, or that he was going to be in Tarrant County......and certainly nobody would have had any reason to fill out a PIR for a copy of the dashcam video.

G26ster beat me to posting that inconsistency by 3 minutes.

Well he was trashing the "cops" for releasing the vid not saying how dare the cop mention to someone that he pulled over Z but there are people who do listen to police scanners and would of heard his name and that is not privileged info and I dare say most people would of likely mentioned it to someone if Z had come into their place of work. So?

If my post indicated I believed the LEO released the encounter, that hardly qualifies as "trashing the cops." I was responding to the fact that you said, "All anyone has to do is fill out a request and they have to release it." A simple response that folks have police scanners would have been sufficient.

I'm sorry I was referring to flecheros "What a bull move and crappy bunch of people they are." statement not yours. You in no way trashed anyone or were even particularly negative. I responded to quickly without reading well enough and mixed the two comments up. My apologies.

Grog wrote:GZ just had bad luck to get pulled, unless they had a call and he was really flying but just about every does 10mph+ between 6am-10pm.

If I am allowed to make an assumption, I think there would be a logical explanation for GZ getting pulled over.
Assumption: GZ was driving a car with FL plates and not a local rental car.
If my assumption is correct then more than likely GZ was profiled. Don't know how often this happens in Texas, but during my years in La, it was common knowledge that if you were Hispanic and you were driving a car with FL plates you were going to get pulled over. How you reacted to the officer would determine how much of the cars interior ended up on the side of the road.

I shouldn't have called 'them' crappy, I think the wording in the article influenced my response towards the officer and dept... still bush league, though.

Oh goodie, another thread about LEOs hitting the toilet.

jmra wrote:

Grog wrote:GZ just had bad luck to get pulled, unless they had a call and he was really flying but just about every does 10mph+ between 6am-10pm.

If I am allowed to make an assumption, I think there would be a logical explanation for GZ getting pulled over.
Assumption: GZ was driving a car with FL plates and not a local rental car.
If my assumption is correct then more than likely GZ was profiled. Don't know how often this happens in Texas, but during my years in La, it was common knowledge that if you were Hispanic and you were driving a car with FL plates you were going to get pulled over. How you reacted to the officer would determine how much of the cars interior ended up on the side of the road.

Profiling? If the officer was wanting to write revenue tickets and "profiling" out of state plates, GZ would have received a ticket as an out of state person is less likely to contest the ticket. I imagine GZ was stopped due to his speed on the radar since the officer told him to slow down. Nothing more nothing less.

That was also text book how I say to let a LEO know one is armed. I know many feel they don't have to or shouldn't under the MPA. Well done GZ and well done by the leo.

I'd have a hard time, as that LEO, refraining from expressing my support for Mr. Z. I wonder how THAT would have played in the media?

texanjoker wrote:

jmra wrote:

Grog wrote:GZ just had bad luck to get pulled, unless they had a call and he was really flying but just about every does 10mph+ between 6am-10pm.

If I am allowed to make an assumption, I think there would be a logical explanation for GZ getting pulled over.
Assumption: GZ was driving a car with FL plates and not a local rental car.
If my assumption is correct then more than likely GZ was profiled. Don't know how often this happens in Texas, but during my years in La, it was common knowledge that if you were Hispanic and you were driving a car with FL plates you were going to get pulled over. How you reacted to the officer would determine how much of the cars interior ended up on the side of the road.

Profiling? If the officer was wanting to write revenue tickets and "profiling" out of state plates, GZ would have received a ticket as an out of state person is less likely to contest the ticket. I imagine GZ was stopped due to his speed on the radar since the officer told him to slow down. Nothing more nothing less.

That was also text book how I say to let a LEO know one is armed. I know many feel they don't have to or shouldn't under the MPA. Well done GZ and well done by the leo.

IDK, seems to me the LEOs whole approach changed when he realized who he had stopped. I'm sure he let him go with a warning in order to get back to his car and let the world know who he just encountered.

jmra wrote:

Grog wrote:GZ just had bad luck to get pulled, unless they had a call and he was really flying but just about every does 10mph+ between 6am-10pm.

If I am allowed to make an assumption, I think there would be a logical explanation for GZ getting pulled over.
Assumption: GZ was driving a car with FL plates and not a local rental car.
If my assumption is correct then more than likely GZ was profiled. Don't know how often this happens in Texas, but during my years in La, it was common knowledge that if you were Hispanic and you were driving a car with FL plates you were going to get pulled over. How you reacted to the officer would determine how much of the cars interior ended up on the side of the road.

The cop reported him as a white male, so everybody should ditch the Hispanic thing.

jmra wrote:

Grog wrote:GZ just had bad luck to get pulled, unless they had a call and he was really flying but just about every does 10mph+ between 6am-10pm.

If I am allowed to make an assumption, I think there would be a logical explanation for GZ getting pulled over.

Assumption: GZ was driving a car with FL plates and not a local rental car.

If my assumption is correct then more than likely GZ was profiled. Don't know how often this happens in Texas, but during my years in La, it was common knowledge that if you were Hispanic and you were driving a car with FL plates you were going to get pulled over. How you reacted to the officer would determine how much of the cars interior ended up on the side of the road.

Forney is used to seeing out of state tags, not sure how much I'd go with that.


As stated, I drive that stretch of road eight times a week and I always see out of state tags on 80. It's the main connector between Dallas and I-20 to/from points east.


In just the last month I've seen....

NC (my real home)
SC
FL
KS
Kali (x3)
NY
LA (tons, several times a week)

Probably more that I just didn't notice.



Does anyone know what time of day this happened?

baldeagle wrote:

jmra wrote:

Grog wrote:GZ just had bad luck to get pulled, unless they had a call and he was really flying but just about every does 10mph+ between 6am-10pm.

If I am allowed to make an assumption, I think there would be a logical explanation for GZ getting pulled over.
Assumption: GZ was driving a car with FL plates and not a local rental car.
If my assumption is correct then more than likely GZ was profiled. Don't know how often this happens in Texas, but during my years in La, it was common knowledge that if you were Hispanic and you were driving a car with FL plates you were going to get pulled over. How you reacted to the officer would determine how much of the cars interior ended up on the side of the road.

The cop reported him as a white male, so everybody should ditch the Hispanic thing.

He was probably buying into the media portrayal of Z as being white.