Re: Texas DPS going 9mm?
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:43 pm
I believe they went from .357 to 220 in 45 then to the 357 sigMechAg94 wrote:I thought the DPS used the P220. Maybe that was someone else.
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I believe they went from .357 to 220 in 45 then to the 357 sigMechAg94 wrote:I thought the DPS used the P220. Maybe that was someone else.
WildBill wrote:What is the reason for DPS going to .357Sig in the first place?Pecos wrote:Really I think 9MM .40 & .45 are all good calibers.
I wouldnt think the DPS Troopers would go to 9mm just to save money when there lives are on the line. But stranger thing have happened, maybe that IS the only reasing there switching.
I think this is what made it interesting to LEO. Limited data I've seen suggest that its "ability to stop bad guys" is pretty good.. It had better penetration of glass and car doors than 9, 40 or 45 and still stays within a body when you hit the target.
The Annoyed Man wrote:9mm hardball pokes pencil sized holes into people, and early 9mm hollowpoints........Winchester Silvertips, for instance...... would fail to expand properly either because of bullet failure or because of obstacles like windshields and heavy clothing, etc. The hollowpoints ended up behaving much like hardball. In fact, I believe that overpenetration was an early problem for that reason. But bullet design has come a long way in the last 35-40 years, and 9mm performs much better than it used to.longdog wrote:I remember years ago when many departments went to 9mm from revolvers because of the higher capacity. After several years, many of those then changed to 40,357 sig or 45 after finding 9mm "inadequate". Are the newer rounds that much better or are we looking at another trend brought about by commercial hype?
Gun-Tests Magazine has an interesting article in this month's issue about 9mm choices for short-barreled carry pistols: http://www.gun-tests.com/issues/25_10/f ... 087-1.html (subscription required to read whole thing.) They gave their highest score to the Speer 124 Grain +P Gold Dot, saying:Speer Gold Dot 124-grain +P Short Barrel JHP 23611, $22.49/20 (Midway 216634)
The current ammunition shortage almost prevented this load from appearing in these pages. Most of the others were on hand. The Speer load was difficult to obtain, but then everything is at present. The Gold Dot design is tweaked for extra performance in the short-barrel gun. The +P rating increases velocity over the standard Gold Dot, and the bullet features a softer core. Expansion and penetration were excellent. This is a solid choice for all-around use. Expansion is the greatest of any load tested, and accuracy was excellent.
Our Team Said: This load is specifically intended for short-barrel use, and as a result of careful development and quality manufacture, it was the overall pick of our raters.
Gun Tests Grade: A+
gigag04 wrote:"Stopping power" - love this terminology.
Whatever caliber I carry, I also give the rounds a good sprinkling of magic fairy dust and a store them near the pelt of maiden unicorn. 45 or 9 make a far superior choice for a duty or defensive round.
Dirthawking wrote:Spoke to a buddy of mine on Fort Worth PD. He actually laughed when I asked him about this. He said they went to the 40 for a reason and have ZERO plans to switch to anything else.
A friend of mine who was with FWPD hates that caliber. He got into a shooting and the bullets were fragmenting on everything. He said all he did was pepper the guy with lead. But then again, this is FWPD we're talking about. One of their officers shot a guy I worked with after he'd identified himself as a detective.Dirthawking wrote:Spoke to a buddy of mine on Fort Worth PD. He actually laughed when I asked him about this. He said they went to the 40 for a reason and have ZERO plans to switch to anything else.
Chris wrote:A friend of mine who was with FWPD hates that caliber. He got into a shooting and the bullets were fragmenting on everything. He said all he did was pepper the guy with lead. But then again, this is FWPD we're talking about. One of their officers shot a guy I worked with after he'd identified himself as a detective.Dirthawking wrote:Spoke to a buddy of mine on Fort Worth PD. He actually laughed when I asked him about this. He said they went to the 40 for a reason and have ZERO plans to switch to anything else.
It sounds like your friend was missing the target because the rounds fragment on impact.Chris wrote:A friend of mine who was with FWPD hates that caliber. He got into a shooting and the bullets were fragmenting on everything. He said all he did was pepper the guy with lead. But then again, this is FWPD we're talking about. One of their officers shot a guy I worked with after he'd identified himself as a detective.Dirthawking wrote:Spoke to a buddy of mine on Fort Worth PD. He actually laughed when I asked him about this. He said they went to the 40 for a reason and have ZERO plans to switch to anything else.