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mojo84 wrote:I think it has more to do with it being a competition and the participants being paid than whether the participants are considered "athletes".

Surgeons and test pilots aren't competing with each other. They are competing with death.

What about American Idol? The contestants get paid for being in the competition, but they are not athletes.

The law says "Sporting" so that must differentiate a particular event from other that is a not a sporting event. What would that be?

Singing is generally not considered a sport. Race driving whether it be car or truck is. So is horseracing. Can non-humans be considered athletes? Both the horse and jockeys are commonly considered athletes.

I'm not trying to argue with you. I just think we sometimes over think things and over look what is common sense and practical.

mojo84 wrote:Singing is generally not considered a sport. Race driving whether it be car or truck is. So is horseracing. Can non-humans be considered athletes? Both the horse and jockeys are commonly considered athletes.

I agree that singing is not a sport, but I am not entirely convinced that Monster Truck is. Maybe I need to see one in person to make a decision.

Jockeys could be considered athletes, but not the horse.

If horses were athletes, then so could dogs and a dog race could be a professional sporting event. Except that the horses and dogs don't get paid.

Further, this is kind of the point I was trying to make with my thread about the Army All American Bowl. I still can see someone trying to contend, unsuccessfully I might add, it is not an event that meets the code as a prohibited event since the event is not sanctioned by nor affiliated with any high school or other sports league such add the UIL, NCAA, NFL etc. The event is owned by a private company and is sponsored by the US Army. The participants happen to be high school age.

Practicality and common sense dictate that it is a no carry event in my opinion.

(2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sporting event or interscholastic event is taking place,

If you google "racehorse athlete", I think you will find they are commonly considered athletes. Some would argue they are the greatest athletes.

mojo84 wrote:If you google "racehorse athlete", I think you will find they are commonly considered athletes. Some would argue they are the greatest athletes.

I am of the opinion that only people can be athletes.

WildBill wrote:

mojo84 wrote:If you google "racehorse athlete", I think you will find they are commonly considered athletes. Some would argue they are the greatest athletes.

I am of the opinion that only people can be athletes.

You are not alone. From dictionary.com.

" athlete[ ath-leet ]
noun
1. a person trained or gifted in exercises or contests involving physical agility, stamina, or strength; a participant in a sport, exercise, or game requiring physical skill."

However, it is very common for people to consider them athletes. I would also contend car or truck racers are too.

How about potbellied, beer drinking, cigarette smoking bowlers? Would we be ok carrying to a professional bowling tournament?

mojo84 wrote:

WildBill wrote:

mojo84 wrote:If you google "racehorse athlete", I think you will find they are commonly considered athletes. Some would argue they are the greatest athletes.

I am of the opinion that only people can be athletes.

You are not alone. From dictionary.com.

" athlete[ ath-leet ]
noun
1. a person trained or gifted in exercises or contests involving physical agility, stamina, or strength; a participant in a sport, exercise, or game requiring physical skill."

However, it is very common for people to consider them athletes. I would also contend car or truck racers are too.

How about potbellied, beer drinking, cigarette smoking bowlers? Would we be ok carrying to a professional bowling tournament?

Purposely, I did not mention bowling, but based on the some of the comments in this thread, I would have to consider them professional athletes.

cb1000rider wrote:Dave, Sorry.. you're right - that's too broad. Care to help me out?

Sorry, I was busy yesterday and haven't been feeling well today...

I have two thoughts on the matter. First, enough people have to care. For instance, today jousting isn't really much of a sport because not enough people care (even though that History Channel show had heart or something). Secondly, it has to primarily be a competition between one or more people or teams in which the outcome is primarily based on dexterity, skill, and/or strength. If both requirements aren't met, IMHO, it's just a way to pass the time.

My definition doesn't match up with the world's, though. Or at least the Olympic Committee's.

Dave2 wrote:

cb1000rider wrote:Dave, Sorry.. you're right - that's too broad. Care to help me out?

Sorry, I was busy yesterday and haven't been feeling well today...

I have two thoughts on the matter. First, enough people have to care. For instance, today jousting isn't really much of a sport because not enough people care (even though that History Channel show had heart or something). Secondly, it has to primarily be a competition between one or more people or teams in which the outcome is primarily based on dexterity, skill, and/or strength. If both requirements aren't met, IMHO, it's just a way to pass the time.

My definition doesn't match up with the world's, though. Or at least the Olympic Committee's.

So, the WNBA is not a sport.

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So, the WNBA is not a sport. [/quote]
Ouch. My brother has season tickets to the San Antonio team. I told him I didn't know they still had a league.

Had a great time. That was the first one I have attended. My daughter and SIL drug me along. They were wanding each and every person coming through the door. There is no way a person could have gotten a handgun through there. I almost screwed up though. I had my smith and Wesson 442 in a pocket holster and had forgotten it was in my pocket. We were waiting in a very long line and I stuck my hand in my pocket. That made for a very long walk to the car and back. It was at the Alamo dome and I did not see any signs. That doesn't mean there were none, but I didn't see them. I suppose it was insignificant since a professional sporting event would be enough to keep me from carrying. I have to say, I was surprised that they wanted each and every person. I have been to AA arena in Dallas and they would wand maybe one out of ten or twenty.

03Lightningrocks wrote:Had a great time. That was the first one I have attended.

So you had good time. What did you think about the athletes?

OK, we have strayed off on athletes, but the statute does not say athletic event, it says professional SPORTING event.

SO, if I were the judge in a trial, I would refer to the definition of 'sport'. Websters says:

sport [spawrt, spohrt]
1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
2. a particular form of this, especially in the out of doors.
3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.
4. jest; fun; mirth; pleasantry: What he said in sport was taken seriously.
5. mockery; ridicule; derision: They made sport of him.

So, if is a monster truck race as they call them, then racing is mentioned in the dictionary. That would apply to NASCAR, drag races, etc. Also, bowling is listed, whether you consider them athletes or not.

Now, to throw another twist into it, hunting and fishing is also mentioned. So, that means if you were a guest on a professional hunting show, or fishing in a BASS tournament, you would be illegal carrying (not withstanding COE lakes being off limits already)

Bottom line, it falls back to what I believe the original intent was, and that was football, baseball, basketball, etc. HOWEVER, this is such a gray area that you could get hung with the loophole of something defined as a sport that you would not think was. Personally, I think as mentioned previously, this one along with others need to be removed from chapter 46.

WildBill wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:Had a great time. That was the first one I have attended.

So you had good time. What did you think about the athletes?

We are on the road back to big D but to answer your question, they weren't exactly body builder types. I was surprised at how much concentration and skill to race those big trucks over all the mounds of obstacles and what not they had. The drivers, women included weren't like pro wrestlers but they weren't out of shape either. One of the truck bodies ripped off during one of the races and we could see everything the driver did. That guy was working his butt off to keep that truck under control.