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I worked with Stem before he went to Hearne. Interested to see how this ends up since it sounds like she fired first.

gigag04 wrote:I worked with Stem before he went to Hearne. Interested to see how this ends up since it sounds like she fired first.

Gig,
Since he has worked at 3 different departments in 5-6 years (and I don't mean to tarnish him in any way) I have to ask if he left good stead? I know some guys just have more things occur on duty than others through no fault of their own. I also understand if you decline to answer.

mamabearCali wrote:Yeah...if she was shooting at people then it was 99% justified. No matter how sad and tragic, what could the officer do?


The people to blame here....the 93 year old woman, sorry but she if she started the shooting she bears primary responsibility. Secondarily I put some responsibility on the family. There are ways to handle things. You gotta know your relatives. If they are going to go nuts, do not provoke them. Be smart. Be sly.

I'm not sure how old the nephew is, but he may not have been the right one to have been put in the situation to take Granny to DPS, esp if the other relatives knew she wasn't going to get to keep her license, and they should have suspected. He may not have been prepared to deal with her losing her license. I do blame them for her having dementia and a gun though, no excuse for that, unless they didn't know, and I sort of find that hard to believe if she got to it that quickly.

SewTexas wrote:I'm not sure how old the nephew is, but he may not have been the right one to have been put in the situation to take Granny to DPS, esp if the other relatives knew she wasn't going to get to keep her license, and they should have suspected. He may not have been prepared to deal with her losing her license. I do blame them for her having dementia and a gun though, no excuse for that, unless they didn't know, and I sort of find that hard to believe if she got to it that quickly.

Once more...none of the news reports that I've seen, have said anything about her having Dementia. That was just a possible explanation for her behavior mentioned on this forum earlier.

puma guy wrote:

gigag04 wrote:I worked with Stem before he went to Hearne. Interested to see how this ends up since it sounds like she fired first.

Gig,
Since he has worked at 3 different departments in 5-6 years (and I don't mean to tarnish him in any way) I have to ask if he left good stead? I know some guys just have more things occur on duty than others through no fault of their own. I also understand if you decline to answer.

We can discuss over a beer or coffee sometime. I don't feel right putting it out there on the internet.

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Hear ... vice=phone" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This link should take you to the kwtx article. The witness, who made the call to 911 and was related says she shot twice before the officer fired. Sounds like his prior shooting was quite justified as well.

We can all speculate as to what else could have been done or tried or say she was 96...96 or 26 those bullets fly the same. The city firing him doesn't seem justified without investigation...but the race card has been pulled and they are appeasing the people.

Just my opinion...

gigag04 wrote:

puma guy wrote:

gigag04 wrote:I worked with Stem before he went to Hearne. Interested to see how this ends up since it sounds like she fired first.

Gig,
Since he has worked at 3 different departments in 5-6 years (and I don't mean to tarnish him in any way) I have to ask if he left good stead? I know some guys just have more things occur on duty than others through no fault of their own. I also understand if you decline to answer.

We can discuss over a beer or coffee sometime. I don't feel right putting it out there on the internet.

K

philip964 wrote:City council fired the police officer today to cheering crowds. I'm no lawyer, but when the grand jury no bills him, does he have a good cause of action?

Not only was it grossly unfair to the officer to fire him before the investigation by the Texas Rangers was complete, it was a tactically foolish move in terms of potential civil liability for the city. There will be no good answer from the Mayor when plaintiffs' counsel asks, "you fired the officer because you thought he had no justification to shoot the old lady, right?"

Chas.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

philip964 wrote:City council fired the police officer today to cheering crowds. I'm no lawyer, but when the grand jury no bills him, does he have a good cause of action?

Not only was it grossly unfair to the officer to fire him before the investigation by the Texas Rangers was complete, it was a tactically foolish move in terms of potential civil liability for the city. There will be no good answer from the Mayor when plaintiffs' counsel asks, "you fired the officer because you thought he had no justification to shoot the old lady, right?"

Chas.

yep, basically it sounds like the mayor, and then the city council was acting as judge and jury.