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olafpfj wrote:On another note...

It would seem the police had no issues determining who was the good guy and who wasn't. The anti's love to spin creative yarns about how the police would just show up and shoot anyone they see with a gun.

Based on the video...clearly not the case!

This leads me to believe that the evidence was overwhelming. Overwhelming evidence might also explain why the CHL holder felt immediate action was required beyond just calling 911 and being a good witness.
I would also expect that the CHL holder had been in contact with 911 and they had at least part of his side of the story before arriving.

I was seriously debating myself on whether to even reply to this thread or not, given the acrimony I've read. I am very happy that the armed citizen was able to successfully stop a crime in progress. I am old enough to have been taught that a woman in trouble needs help. However, I'm also young enough to realize that this nation is no longer run by people who were raised that way. It is run by people like Gloria Allred and Benjamin Crump, by the mass media who have an agenda beyond merely making money, by an education system that believes a woman strangled is morally superior to one who defends herself with a handgun, and by a so-called Justice Department controlled by folks with an axe to grind, seemingly against people raised the way we were raised. They are all people who can ruin your life even if you do everything right. All I can say is that I got my CHL to protect my family and myself, and I honestly cannot say what I would do if confronted with a situation like the one in the story. My hat is off to those who do know, and I mean that with all sincerity.

A big problem with intervening is that the woman may side with the man when talking to police.

Every time a thread like this appears, I am truly disappointed at how many would not do anything more than call 911. It is also repulsive how many use the "batman license" excuse to hide behind and demean others that feel a moral obligation help another in need. Talk about a poor analogy, it doesn't get any worse than the "batman license".

It's a scary thought how many don't seem to realize how one punch can end someone's life. Think about this, how would you feel knowing you stood their watching and waiting to be a witness when a punch killed someone when you could have possibly saved someone. Have we gotten to the point where we don't value human life any more than just being willing to dial a phone?

Sad times in America indeed.

K.Mooneyham wrote:I was seriously debating myself on whether to even reply to this thread or not, given the acrimony I've read. I am very happy that the armed citizen was able to successfully stop a crime in progress. I am old enough to have been taught that a woman in trouble needs help. However, I'm also young enough to realize that this nation is no longer run by people who were raised that way. It is run by people like Gloria Allred and Benjamin Crump, by the mass media who have an agenda beyond merely making money, by an education system that believes a woman strangled is morally superior to one who defends herself with a handgun, and by a so-called Justice Department controlled by folks with an axe to grind, seemingly against people raised the way we were raised. They are all people who can ruin your life even if you do everything right. All I can say is that I got my CHL to protect my family and myself, and I honestly cannot say what I would do if confronted with a situation like the one in the story. My hat is off to those who do know, and I mean that with all sincerity.

Well said. I, too, do not know what I'd do in such a situation. I do know that 'doing' and 'saying' are not synonymous.

LDB415 wrote:I certainly hope if one of my daughters is ever in trouble a select subset of this group is nearby and the other subset isn't anywhere around.

Subset A. I'll be there. I've been trained to run toward trouble, not away from it.

mojo84 wrote:Every time a thread like this appears, I am truly disappointed at how many would not do anything more than call 911. It is also repulsive how many use the "batman license" excuse to hide behind and demean others that feel a moral obligation help another in need. Talk about a poor analogy, it doesn't get any worse than the "batman license".

It's a scary thought how many don't seem to realize how one punch can end someone's life. Think about this, how would you feel knowing you stood their watching and waiting to be a witness when a punch killed someone when you could have possibly saved someone. Have we gotten to the point where we don't value human life any more than just being willing to dial a phone?

Sad times in America indeed.

The chances are very good the woman who was "saved" will be shacked up with the dude the moment he gets out of jail. I have seen this very thing unfold many times over with a family member who was beaten and then returned to the monster that issued the beating over and over again even after she was rescued numerous times from the situation. You think he saved this woman? Maybe he did or maybe another CHL'er will need to get involved again at a later date and maybe they won't be so lucky. I wonder whether the woman was screaming for help? The problem with domestics is you have no idea what has happened previously or what the circumstances are when you decide to physically intervene. The article states that they are continuing to investigate whether the CHL'er broke any laws but at this time they didn't think so. Should be interesting to see if additional information becomes available.

I've posted on here about this type of topic before. However, I have never criticized anyone for stating he would intervene. It isn't my concern that someone chooses to intervene. That is a decision that person has made.

Why are those who choose to be weary of getting involved and way personal risks differently than those who say they would get involved, why are we looked at as a problem to society and the demise of America?

Will you raise my kids? Will you pay my mortgage? Will you pay my legal defense? And the list goes on...

Like others, I can think of 101 things that could have gone wrong for the chler in this situation. I am certainly glad it so far hasn't.

I way my risks, you way yours.
You do what you want, i will do what I think is best.

Right2Carry wrote:

mojo84 wrote:Every time a thread like this appears, I am truly disappointed at how many would not do anything more than call 911. It is also repulsive how many use the "batman license" excuse to hide behind and demean others that feel a moral obligation help another in need. Talk about a poor analogy, it doesn't get any worse than the "batman license".

It's a scary thought how many don't seem to realize how one punch can end someone's life. Think about this, how would you feel knowing you stood their watching and waiting to be a witness when a punch killed someone when you could have possibly saved someone. Have we gotten to the point where we don't value human life any more than just being willing to dial a phone?

Sad times in America indeed.

The chances are very good the woman who was "saved" will be shacked up with the dude the moment he gets out of jail. I have seen this very thing unfold many times over with a family member who was beaten and then returned to the monster that issued the beating over and over again even after she was rescued numerous times from the situation. You think he saved this woman? Maybe he did or maybe another CHL'er will need to get involved again at a later date and maybe they won't be so lucky. I wonder whether the woman was screaming for help? The problem with domestics is you have no idea what has happened previously or what the circumstances are when you decide to physically intervene. The article states that they are continuing to investigate whether the CHL'er broke any laws but at this time they didn't think so. Should be interesting to see if additional information becomes available.

There was a time in this country when men wouldn't put up with that. A long time ago, a female store manager who was training me was having a problem with her husband along those lines. He worked for the same company, and one night he showed up at the store. I took him out back and made sure he understood that if he ever laid a hand on her again they would never find his body. He quit messing with her after that, because he believed me.

I don't care who it is, I won't let anyone beat a woman. Period.

rotor wrote:Good citizen pulls gun and fighting does not stop. What does he do next? Or what if bad guy pulls a gun? This can all turn into a much worse scenario than was bargained for and just like the woman beaten in the elevator by her football player husband who she loves and adores (and who brings home the paycheck) she will stand by her man. I vote for letting the cops handle this one.

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Texas Penal Code Chapter 9 wrote: 9.33. Defense of Third Person
A person is justified in using force or deadly force against another to protect a third person if:
(1) under the circumstances as the actor reasonably believes them to be, the actor would be justified under Section 9.31 or 9.32 in using force or deadly force to protect himself against the unlawful force or unlawful deadly force he reasonably believes to be threatening the third person he seeks to protect; and
(2) the actor reasonably believes that his intervention is immediately necessary to protect the third person.

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jayinsat wrote:

rotor wrote:Good citizen pulls gun and fighting does not stop. What does he do next? Or what if bad guy pulls a gun? This can all turn into a much worse scenario than was bargained for and just like the woman beaten in the elevator by her football player husband who she loves and adores (and who brings home the paycheck) she will stand by her man. I vote for letting the cops handle this one.

This was exactly what was going through my mind but I don't think I could just stand there and watch. I'm really torn on this one

*Edit for grammar and stupid iPhone auto correct*

there is a middle ground. don't get out of the vehicle and shout that you've called the police. take picture of people and plate with camera.

Texas_Blaze wrote:I've posted on here about this type of topic before. However, I have never criticized anyone for stating he would intervene. It isn't my concern that someone chooses to intervene. That is a decision that person has made.

Why are those who choose to be weary of getting involved and way personal risks differently than those who say they would get involved, why are we looked at as a problem to society and the demise of America?

Will you raise my kids? Will you pay my mortgage? Will you pay my legal defense? And the list goes on...

Like others, I can think of 101 things that could have gone wrong for the chler in this situation. I am certainly glad it so far hasn't.

I way my risks, you way yours.
You do what you want, i will do what I think is best.

a fair point.

baldeagle wrote:I don't care who it is, I won't let anyone beat a woman. Period.

I assume those that say they don't know what they would do have never witnessed a woman being beaten. I have. My wife was with me. As I stooped the car and told my wife I couldn't just sit there and be a good witness, she responded, "I wouldn't have married you if I thought you could."
Amazingly the woman beater wasn't at all interested in an altercation with another male.

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

jayinsat wrote:

rotor wrote:Good citizen pulls gun and fighting does not stop. What does he do next? Or what if bad guy pulls a gun? This can all turn into a much worse scenario than was bargained for and just like the woman beaten in the elevator by her football player husband who she loves and adores (and who brings home the paycheck) she will stand by her man. I vote for letting the cops handle this one.

This was exactly what was going through my mind but I don't think I could just stand there and watch. I'm really torn on this one

*Edit for grammar and stupid iPhone auto correct*

there is a middle ground. don't get out of the vehicle and shout that you've called the police. take picture of people and plate with camera.

That's fine as long as all you are interested in is the guy getting prosecuted and convicted for assault or murder. I would prefer to stop the assault or prevent a murder and testify to get the guy convicted.

Caution is the word.

Im a woman's lib guy and if I see a man & woman tussling Im gonna handle it the same way as if I saw 2 guys fighting. I will try to calm things down & make sure neither one gets hurt - but if things escalate I will just as likely back off as not.

Years ago in a bar parking lot I pulled a guy off a gal he was beating the slobber out of. He wanted to fight so I got him down and was handling him when his "victim" hit me in the back with a brick. When the LEO showed up she accused me of being the aggressor & showed him the swollen eye I gave her.

When sharing this story Ive heard of similar experiences from others.

One couple saw a big black guy accosting a small woman. He was on top of her in the parking lot. Hubby jumped in & the wife was going for her pepper spray when they learned the "thug" was store security and the gal was a crack head shop lifter trying to flee and screaming rape.

Recently a couple moved down the street. The guy is unfriendly and will not acknowledge anyone who waves at him. The LEO's come to his house 3-4 times a month & the records published in the local paper shows arrests for DV & PI- as a result, the neighborhood has been talking about what a louse he is. We learned later that the gal drinks all day and then attacks the guy when he comes home from work!

These people arent worth more than a 911 call from me.