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Re: Striker Fired Pistols & Safety
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:30 pm
by Javier730
TVGuy wrote:Right2Carry wrote:I will never own a gun that requires you violate one of the safety rules in order to disassemble it. Bad idea to have to put finger on trigger and press during disassembly. All those who champion the 4 rules and keeping booger finger off the trigger will now go into spin mode.
Then I guess you never do dry fire practice, which puts you at a huge disadvantage in case the unlikely gunfight occurs.
I'll stick with my daily practice and Glock (w/ described takedown procedure) while triple-checking it's condition before pulling the trigger.
As long as you check to make sure the firearm is not loaded, there is no problem dry firing it. A bullet will not magically appear in the chamber right before you dry fire to field strip.
Re: Striker Fired Pistols & Safety
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:08 pm
by jmra
Right2Carry wrote:I will never own a gun that requires you violate one of the safety rules in order to disassemble it. Bad idea to have to put finger on trigger and press during disassembly. All those who champion the 4 rules and keeping booger finger off the trigger will now go into spin mode.
If you don't feel that you have the ability or discipline to verify that the firearm is clear before disassembly then you shouldn't own any firearm.
Re: Striker Fired Pistols & Safety
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:39 pm
by FL450
ScottDLS wrote:At the risk of starting a religious war and being banned forever...
I read an interesting article on the safety (or lack thereof) of striker fired pistols (specifically Glocks) for LEO use. I've always felt more comfortable carrying DA/SA pistols or revolvers for concealed carry. My current most common carry is a DA/SA Walther PPK/s w/ thumb safety on. I've heard some LEO opinion that a service weapon should not be carried with safety on, as it results in longer reaction time. Also was told that the current military practice is to carry sidearm with safety off. Perhaps this is less critical for "civilian CCW". Just personally I've never been comfortable carrying a Glock due to the lighter trigger pull than a DA pistol. No doubt they are quite good guns and I enjoy shooting them. I could consider carrying a DA with safety off, as I also sometimes carry a revolver.
What do you all think about the premise of the article?
-Scott
http://bearingarms.com/cops-glocks/
I didn't want a safety on my carry weapon but had concerns about discharge during re-holstering with a IWB holster and clothing getting caught in the trigger.
My daughter and SIL witnessed a LEO weapon discharge during re-holstering after police action a few years back.
I decided on a Sig P250 which has a long trigger pull for the safety but only 5.5 lbs. avg. and a hammer that I can thumb during re-holstering. their were other reasons on top of those I went with the P250 as well.
Re: Striker Fired Pistols & Safety
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:52 pm
by Javier730
jmra wrote:Right2Carry wrote:I will never own a gun that requires you violate one of the safety rules in order to disassemble it. Bad idea to have to put finger on trigger and press during disassembly. All those who champion the 4 rules and keeping booger finger off the trigger will now go into spin mode.
If you don't feel that you have the ability or discipline to verify that the firearm is clear before disassembly then you shouldn't own any firearm.
Re: Striker Fired Pistols & Safety
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:00 pm
by Right2Carry
jmra wrote:Right2Carry wrote:I will never own a gun that requires you violate one of the safety rules in order to disassemble it. Bad idea to have to put finger on trigger and press during disassembly. All those who champion the 4 rules and keeping booger finger off the trigger will now go into spin mode.
If you don't feel that you have the ability or discipline to verify that the firearm is clear before disassembly then you shouldn't own any firearm.
Your attempt at a personal attack failed miserably.
Re: Striker Fired Pistols & Safety
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:02 pm
by Right2Carry
Javier730 wrote:jmra wrote:Right2Carry wrote:I will never own a gun that requires you violate one of the safety rules in order to disassemble it. Bad idea to have to put finger on trigger and press during disassembly. All those who champion the 4 rules and keeping booger finger off the trigger will now go into spin mode.
If you don't feel that you have the ability or discipline to verify that the firearm is clear before disassembly then you shouldn't own any firearm.
What a surprise........NOT!
Re: Striker Fired Pistols & Safety
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 7:48 pm
by jmra
Right2Carry wrote:jmra wrote:Right2Carry wrote:I will never own a gun that requires you violate one of the safety rules in order to disassemble it. Bad idea to have to put finger on trigger and press during disassembly. All those who champion the 4 rules and keeping booger finger off the trigger will now go into spin mode.
If you don't feel that you have the ability or discipline to verify that the firearm is clear before disassembly then you shouldn't own any firearm.
Your attempt at a personal attack failed miserably.
It's not a personal attack at all. It is simply a fact that human error is the only thing that makes any modern firearm unsafe. Anyone who can't or won't clear a firearm before attempting to take it apart shouldn't own one. Is there something about that statement you disagree with?
Re: Striker Fired Pistols & Safety
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:22 pm
by Jago668
GeekwithaGun wrote:The M&P does not require a trigger pull to clear or break down. I only pull the trigger when dry firing and at the range. I don't know about others
The Springfield XDMs don't require it either, and even less involved than the Smith & Wesson M&P line. I disliked the grip safety on them, but I absolutely loved the take down on them.
Re: Striker Fired Pistols & Safety
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:46 pm
by Right2Carry
jmra wrote:Right2Carry wrote:jmra wrote:Right2Carry wrote:I will never own a gun that requires you violate one of the safety rules in order to disassemble it. Bad idea to have to put finger on trigger and press during disassembly. All those who champion the 4 rules and keeping booger finger off the trigger will now go into spin mode.
If you don't feel that you have the ability or discipline to verify that the firearm is clear before disassembly then you shouldn't own any firearm.
Your attempt at a personal attack failed miserably.
It's not a personal attack at all. It is simply a fact that human error is the only thing that makes any modern firearm unsafe. Anyone who can't or won't clear a firearm before attempting to take it apart shouldn't own one. Is there something about that statement you disagree with?
I guess there are a lot of Glock owners who shouldn't own firearms based on news reports and videos.
Re: Striker Fired Pistols & Safety
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:03 pm
by jmra
Right2Carry wrote:jmra wrote:Right2Carry wrote:jmra wrote:Right2Carry wrote:I will never own a gun that requires you violate one of the safety rules in order to disassemble it. Bad idea to have to put finger on trigger and press during disassembly. All those who champion the 4 rules and keeping booger finger off the trigger will now go into spin mode.
If you don't feel that you have the ability or discipline to verify that the firearm is clear before disassembly then you shouldn't own any firearm.
Your attempt at a personal attack failed miserably.
It's not a personal attack at all. It is simply a fact that human error is the only thing that makes any modern firearm unsafe. Anyone who can't or won't clear a firearm before attempting to take it apart shouldn't own one. Is there something about that statement you disagree with?
I guess there are a lot of Glock owners who shouldn't own firearms based on news reports and videos.
Yep, that claim is old and tired. Everyone should carry what they are comfortable with and what they feel they can safely handle.
BTW: would still like to know your answer to my question.
Re: Striker Fired Pistols & Safety
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:45 am
by Charlies.Contingency
Right2Carry wrote:jmra wrote:Right2Carry wrote:jmra wrote:Right2Carry wrote:I will never own a gun that requires you violate one of the safety rules in order to disassemble it. Bad idea to have to put finger on trigger and press during disassembly. All those who champion the 4 rules and keeping booger finger off the trigger will now go into spin mode.
If you don't feel that you have the ability or discipline to verify that the firearm is clear before disassembly then you shouldn't own any firearm.
Your attempt at a personal attack failed miserably.
It's not a personal attack at all. It is simply a fact that human error is the only thing that makes any modern firearm unsafe. Anyone who can't or won't clear a firearm before attempting to take it apart shouldn't own one. Is there something about that statement you disagree with?
I guess there are a lot of Glock owners who shouldn't own firearms based on news reports and videos.
You didn't answer his question. I am a Glock owner as well, I have never had a negligent discharge, as I practice safety beyond obeying JUST one step. Just like the triangle of stupidity, I can't always avoid going to stupid places, or avoid stupid people, or avoid stupid things. I'm not going to go into "spin mode" because I violated one of the rules of the triangle.
If you can't safely own a Glock, then don't. But cardinal safety rules cannot always be followed, just like triangle of stupidity.
Re: Striker Fired Pistols & Safety
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:55 am
by Abraham
My Glock 19 took an unauthorized trip out of my holster when a screw backed out.
It fell from the height of my Tundra seat onto concrete.
Except for a little bit of scratching it made the trip successfully.
P.S. I would like to see jmra's question answered too.
We're waiting...
Re: Striker Fired Pistols & Safety
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:58 am
by Charlies.Contingency
Jago668 wrote:GeekwithaGun wrote:The M&P does not require a trigger pull to clear or break down. I only pull the trigger when dry firing and at the range. I don't know about others
The Springfield XDMs don't require it either, and even less involved than the Smith & Wesson M&P line. I disliked the grip safety on them, but I absolutely loved the take down on them.
The grip safety is one of my favorite features. It's a very simple and easy break down. Much easier than the glock, especially for those with weak hands. My XD(S) has the same lever feature for break-down as well.
Re: Striker Fired Pistols & Safety
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:02 am
by gthaustex
One answer to all of this.....regardless of what you choose to carry.....
TRAINING, TRAINING, TRAINING.....
Re: Striker Fired Pistols & Safety
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:50 am
by ShootDontTalk
Sorry double post.