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Abraham wrote:TAM,

"...I sincerely believe that my religion is better than Islam."

That's exactly what every religion believes, whether Catholic/Protestant/Jew/Mormon/Cargo Cult and on and on.

And, the angry emotions stirred up by the attitude of "My religion is better than yours" has caused wars for centuries.

Abraham, did you read the rest of my post? OF COURSE I believe my religion is better, but have you seen me call for the beheading of anyone who disagrees with me? Have you seen me call for holy war on behalf of mine? Have you seen me call for throwing gays off of buildings? Of course not. So my attitude is NOT going to cause any wars. Why? Because I'm unwilling to kill someone because they reject Christ. In fact, Christ would condemn such thinking.....while STILL saying that His way is the only way. Beiruty, who is a friend of mine, is a passionately believing Sunni Muslim who believes that his religion is better than mine (or yours). I know Wiccan's who believe that theirs is better than either mine or Beiruty's. And I know Bahais who would say the same thing about the rest of us. But the difference between me, Beiruty, the Wiccan's, and the Bahai that I mentioned on the one hand, and violent Islamist terrorists on the other hand, is that none of us thinks that God wants us to kill anyone who rejects our different faiths.

I am fairly certain that Beiruty would agree with what I've said here. He passionately holds to his Muslim faith. I KNOW this because I've sat down to dinner with him and listened to what he said about it. He also passionately supports the 1st Amendment, and my right under that Amendment to worship God as I see fit, and your right to worship (or not worship) the god of your choice. Beiruty's brand of Islam is no threat to your rights or mine.

Apropos this thread, that's at the heart of why I think it was a callous error for this group to demonstrate with guns in front of that mosque. They have no clue at all what sort of muslims are worshipping in there - people who, like Beiruty, support and defend your rights and a secular government, or people who are antagonistic to constitutional government. No idea at all. They found a mosque to use as the big boogyman, and they showed up. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Abraham wrote:TAM,

"...I sincerely believe that my religion is better than Islam."

That's exactly what every religion believes, whether Catholic/Protestant/Jew/Mormon/Cargo Cult and on and on.

And, the angry emotions stirred up by the attitude of "My religion is better than yours" has caused wars for centuries.

Abraham, did you read the rest of my post? OF COURSE I believe my religion is better, but have you seen me call for the beheading of anyone who disagrees with me? Have you seen me call for holy war on behalf of mine? Have you seen me call for throwing gays off of buildings? Of course not. So my attitude is NOT going to cause any wars. Why? Because I'm unwilling to kill someone because they reject Christ. In fact, Christ would condemn such thinking.....while STILL saying that His way is the only way. Beiruty, who is a friend of mine, is a passionately believing Sunni Muslim who believes that his religion is better than mine (or yours). I know Wiccan's who believe that theirs is better than either mine or Beiruty's. And I know Bahais who would say the same thing about the rest of us. But the difference between me, Beiruty, the Wiccan's, and the Bahai that I mentioned on the one hand, and violent Islamist terrorists on the other hand, is that none of us thinks that God wants us to kill anyone who rejects our different faiths.

I am fairly certain that Beiruty would agree with what I've said here. He passionately holds to his Muslim faith. I KNOW this because I've sat down to dinner with him and listened to what he said about it. He also passionately supports the 1st Amendment, and my right under that Amendment to worship God as I see fit, and your right to worship (or not worship) the god of your choice. Beiruty's brand of Islam is no threat to your rights or mine.

Apropos this thread, that's at the heart of why I think it was a callous error for this group to demonstrate with guns in front of that mosque. They have no clue at all what sort of muslims are worshipping in there - people who, like Beiruty, support and defend your rights and a secular government, or people who are antagonistic to constitutional government. No idea at all. They found a mosque to use as the big boogyman, and they showed up. Dumb, dumb, dumb.[/qu


I completely agree that many Muslims are peaceful . How many Muslims died in the Twin Towers ? How many died At the marathon , how many maimed , crippled , lives destroyed of innocent victims How many died in Paris I'll stop there. The ratio of loss for them as compared to the thousands of innocents (men/women/children) . Sorry , I'm not politically correct enough to close my eyes to truth . Lets don't also talk of Muslims beheading Christians , men women and children in their own country s on a whim . Reality is hard to grasp for many .

Our rules don't allow discussions of religions and I know folks here are not trying to do that.

That said, saying Islam is a "peaceful religion" and that the Muslims who are committing atrocities are "radicalized" is, in fact, discussing Islam by implying the content of its teachings. Let's not talk about any religion, including Islam, in terms of their teachings and beliefs.

Chas.

I fully understand , lets not talk about it .
chuck j

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Our rules don't allow discussions of religions and I know folks here are not trying to do that.

That said, saying Islam is a "peaceful religion" and that the Muslims who are committing atrocities are "radicalized" is, in fact, discussing Islam by implying the content of its teachings. Let's not talk about any religion, including Islam, in terms of their teachings and beliefs.

Chas.

I agree Chas, I've painfully withheld myself from this conversation to prevent any escalations on this topic. This is a very controversial topic, and I've studied much of all sides of it, some studies I did not specifically care to do, and as much as I could teach upon this topic and help inform others of facts and myths, this should be done so privately. Many of us have our feelings about this, some of us like myself are EXTREMELY passionate and opinionated, but we need to be fair and on a neutral plain here if we wish to get along.

If anybody would like to continue this topic with me, or argue with me about this stuff, feel free to pm. I enjoy discussing this, and my wife and I make it our mission to not stand idly by, but to go out and inform others.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Our rules don't allow discussions of religions and I know folks here are not trying to do that.

That said, saying Islam is a "peaceful religion" and that the Muslims who are committing atrocities are "radicalized" is, in fact, discussing Islam by implying the content of its teachings. Let's not talk about any religion, including Islam, in terms of their teachings and beliefs.

Chas.

I apologize Charles, I should have realized that this post about protesters was a direct path to the conversation that we ended up having.

If anyone was upset by this thread I apologize to you as well.

Rich

This whole thing is stupid.

“By their own website’s admission, if U.S. law conflicts with Sharia law, “we follow Sharia law.” It also openly admitted separate rules for men and women in their proceedings, discriminating and humiliating women which is against the U.S. Constitution.”

The first time a man hit his wife and she called 911 or someone saw it and called it in, the guy would find himself in handcuffs going to jail. I would pay to watch him tell the judge that “we follow Sharia law.”.

In the comments,
Michael says:
October 27, 2015 at 1:10 pm
“I’m shocked four people thought this was a good idea. Vote those fools out. Liberals out of control and Muslims taking advantage of the ignorance. In Texas!”

He is right. The oath I took said “I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;” Those four that voted in favor of allowing a “Sharia Court.” Should be immediately arrested, removed from office, and charged with whatever law that prevents attempting to undermine the Constitution.

They are domestic enemies of the Constitution

VOR its called sedition and yep Chairman Maobama is as guilty as those 4 are and unfortunately so are others

Richbirdhunter wrote:

WTR wrote:Small group of ignorant ( bordering on stupid) buffoons.

There's over a billion Muslims in the world, if 1% of them are a "Small group of ignorant buffoons"
We are in a world of hurt

Brigitte Gabriel on the peaceful majority

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... _mLF5D6Xyw.

Abraham wrote:G.A. Heath

Much of what you posted sounds reasonable, but this statement doesn't make sense to me.

"I would however like to know how many people at that Mosque are now more likely to be radicalized because of the intimidation efforts of this crowd."

Isn't this the same kind of thinking liberals are always bemoaning happens because we fight radicalized jihadis?

No, if you threaten some peaceful worshipers at a Mosque. One of those young men could pushed to respond in kind, even worse, return armed and misguidedly goes in shoot out with the armed protesters.
This has to be avoided at any cost. Confrontation is the worst that can happen. The whole community needs the Muslims community to be on their side. For all haters and doubters, do you know who would the first to tip FBI of any suspected terrorist?

VoiceofReason wrote:This whole thing is stupid.

“By their own website’s admission, if U.S. law conflicts with Sharia law, “we follow Sharia law.” It also openly admitted separate rules for men and women in their proceedings, discriminating and humiliating women which is against the U.S. Constitution.”

The first time a man hit his wife and she called 911 or someone saw it and called it in, the guy would find himself in handcuffs going to jail. I would pay to watch him tell the judge that “we follow Sharia law.”.

In the comments,
Michael says:
October 27, 2015 at 1:10 pm
“I’m shocked four people thought this was a good idea. Vote those fools out. Liberals out of control and Muslims taking advantage of the ignorance. In Texas!”

He is right. The oath I took said “I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;” Those four that voted in favor of allowing a “Sharia Court.” Should be immediately arrested, removed from office, and charged with whatever law that prevents attempting to undermine the Constitution.

They are domestic enemies of the Constitution

I agree with you, but I read somewhere that Orthodox Jews have their own court. If true, do we arrest those too?

Beiruty wrote:

VoiceofReason wrote:This whole thing is stupid.

“By their own website’s admission, if U.S. law conflicts with Sharia law, “we follow Sharia law.” It also openly admitted separate rules for men and women in their proceedings, discriminating and humiliating women which is against the U.S. Constitution.”

The first time a man hit his wife and she called 911 or someone saw it and called it in, the guy would find himself in handcuffs going to jail. I would pay to watch him tell the judge that “we follow Sharia law.”.

In the comments,
Michael says:
October 27, 2015 at 1:10 pm
“I’m shocked four people thought this was a good idea. Vote those fools out. Liberals out of control and Muslims taking advantage of the ignorance. In Texas!”

He is right. The oath I took said “I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;” Those four that voted in favor of allowing a “Sharia Court.” Should be immediately arrested, removed from office, and charged with whatever law that prevents attempting to undermine the Constitution.

They are domestic enemies of the Constitution

I agree with you, but I read somewhere that Orthodox Jews have their own court. If true, do we arrest those too?

It appears there is a difference between the two.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2927/ ... cal-courts

gljjt wrote:

Richbirdhunter wrote:

WTR wrote:Small group of ignorant ( bordering on stupid) buffoons.

There's over a billion Muslims in the world, if 1% of them are a "Small group of ignorant buffoons"
We are in a world of hurt

Brigitte Gabriel on the peaceful majority

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... _mLF5D6Xyw.

Again, I am referring to the protesters.

Beiruty wrote:

VoiceofReason wrote:This whole thing is stupid.

“By their own website’s admission, if U.S. law conflicts with Sharia law, “we follow Sharia law.” It also openly admitted separate rules for men and women in their proceedings, discriminating and humiliating women which is against the U.S. Constitution.”

The first time a man hit his wife and she called 911 or someone saw it and called it in, the guy would find himself in handcuffs going to jail. I would pay to watch him tell the judge that “we follow Sharia law.”.

In the comments,
Michael says:
October 27, 2015 at 1:10 pm
“I’m shocked four people thought this was a good idea. Vote those fools out. Liberals out of control and Muslims taking advantage of the ignorance. In Texas!”

He is right. The oath I took said “I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;” Those four that voted in favor of allowing a “Sharia Court.” Should be immediately arrested, removed from office, and charged with whatever law that prevents attempting to undermine the Constitution.

They are domestic enemies of the Constitution

I agree with you, but I read somewhere that Orthodox Jews have their own court. If true, do we arrest those too?

I believe you misunderstood my point. Maybe I did a poor job of getting it across.

The hypothetical Muslim man that hit his wife would not be arrested for following Sharia law but for violating our laws.

Those four that voted to allow courts to be established under Sharia law were voting to allow Muslims do disregard our constitution and our laws.

I have no knowledge about Orthodox Jews and their own court but when it gets down to it I would bet that our laws take prescience over theirs.

Thanks JP171 for the assist. I occasionally go into “brain lock” when addressing a subject that raises my blood pressure.

All of this is ridiculous any way. The city of Irving does not have the final word in this case. The State and Federal governments would make the final determination. This just indicates how much these particular Muslims don’t know about our country.

Beiruty wrote:

Abraham wrote:G.A. Heath

Much of what you posted sounds reasonable, but this statement doesn't make sense to me.

"I would however like to know how many people at that Mosque are now more likely to be radicalized because of the intimidation efforts of this crowd."

Isn't this the same kind of thinking liberals are always bemoaning happens because we fight radicalized jihadis?

No, if you threaten some peaceful worshipers at a Mosque. One of those young men could pushed to respond in kind, even worse, return armed and misguidedly goes in shoot out with the armed protesters.
This has to be avoided at any cost. Confrontation is the worst that can happen. The whole community needs the Muslims community to be on their side. For all haters and doubters, do you know who would the first to tip FBI of any suspected terrorist?

When I start seeing Muslim leadership and peaceful Muslims denounce the Terror Attacks happening world wide, then maybe I will believe that they have a peaceful Religion. Until I see protests denouncing terror attacks and condemning of the Radicals......the silence tells me they secretly support it.