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The original fire grenades that are now collectables if I remember my fire history and fire science had carbon tetrachloride in them, when used they put off a very toxic fume!

crazy2medic wrote:The original fire grenades that are now collectables if I remember my fire history and fire science had carbon tetrachloride in them, when used they put off a very toxic fume!

Carbon tetrachloride was common in many old style fire extinguishers. They were very effective.

JALLEN wrote:

WildBill wrote:

ELB wrote:

JALLEN wrote:Isn't this about like Red Adair's technique for fighting oil well fires using dynamite to deprive the fire of oxygen?

Aside from the difference in scale (!), no I don't think so. In the oil well fires, the explosive literally blows out the flame with a shockwave, depriving the flame of oxygen and fuel. That little ball is not generating any kind of shockwave (else that guy holding it as it went off wouldn't have fingers afterwards), it just saturating the immediate area with some kind of dry chemical.

I think the reaction releases carbon dioxide gas which cuts off the oxygen and stops the fire.

Well, I didn't think it might be literally identical. Deprive of oxygen is the gist of it, because the fire is out immediately. Same cause, different means of getting it.

While what you say is technically true, it's about like saying stepping on the brake is the same as hitting a brick wall because they both stop the car.

JALLEN wrote: ...

Well, I didn't think it might be literally identical. Deprive of oxygen is the gist of it, because the fire is out immediately. Same cause, different means of getting it.

Well yes it's true that at the most fundamental level fires are put out by removing or isolating either the fuel, the oxygen, the heat, or the chemical reaction that provides/sustains the heat -- or some combination of the four. All else is detail.

The techniques that get there vary according to which part(s) of the fire tetrahedron (yes, the "fire triangle" is old news) they attack.

The explosive technique used in oil field well fires removes the oxygen and fuel from the immediate vicinity long enough to snuff the fire.

Dry chemical agents, which it appears is what is in this fire grenade operate a little differently. They coat the fuel, separating it from the oxygen and also interfering in the chemical reaction.

Oh, and for WildBill, I don't think this little widget is using CO2, I think it is just covering everything in range with a dry chemical.


The amount of dry chemical will limit the size of the fire that can be suppressed, and while it's good for a lot of different kinds of fire, it doesn't work well on everything. I'd like to see them toss one on an engine fire where the engine has a lot magnesium in it, like some new engines do. Probably not as spectacular result as spraying water on it, but I bet it doesn't put it out either.

ELB wrote:Oh, and for WildBill, I don't think this little widget is using CO2, I think it is just covering everything in range with a dry chemical.

There is a small explosive charge inside the ball that disperses the powder. You can see the white powder after the ball bursts.
Some of the dry chemicals used in extinguishers, such as sodium and potassium carbonate, release CO2 when they are heated.
That is how they put out the fire. It is not clear from their website or product description exactly what is used in their product.

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So I emailed the Elide Fire Ball company and asked them "how much?"

The answer I got back was a bit confusing. $150 EACH for less than 12, discount of $30 for more than 12. But how much for exactly 12? Maybe $150 each, maybe $120 each, they say both in different sentences. Also not clear if you have to buy them in packages of 12? Email says minimum order is 12. But can send smaller quantities for trial. OK, maybe we'll see.

ETA: Badly misread and then misquoted the discount first time I posted this.

ELB wrote:So I emailed the Elide Fire Ball company and asked them "how much?"

The answer I got back was a bit confusing. $150 EACH for less than 12, discount of $30 for more than 12. But how much for exactly 12? Maybe $150 each, maybe $120 each, they say both in different sentences. Also not clear if you have to buy them in packages of 12? Email says minimum order is 12. But can send smaller quantities for trial. OK, maybe we'll see.

ETA: Badly misread and then misquoted the discount first time I posted this.

What country do they ship from? Does the quoted price include shipping charges? I would think that they couldn't be shipped by air.

WildBill wrote:

ELB wrote:So I emailed the Elide Fire Ball company and asked them "how much?"

The answer I got back was a bit confusing. $150 EACH for less than 12, discount of $30 for more than 12. But how much for exactly 12? Maybe $150 each, maybe $120 each, they say both in different sentences. Also not clear if you have to buy them in packages of 12? Email says minimum order is 12. But can send smaller quantities for trial. OK, maybe we'll see.

ETA: Badly misread and then misquoted the discount first time I posted this.

What country do they ship from? Does the quoted price include shipping charges? I would think that they couldn't be shipped by air.

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