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mojo84 wrote:
Whether it is technically a MOAB or MOP, they both can be used for similar purpose which is bunker busting. Regardless, my point is the sensationalism of calling it the "mother of all bombs" is thick. Especially since the MOP is bigger. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive ... Penetrator
G26ster, that's what.

The MOP is only heavier by weight due to the thick steel needed to penetrate concrete. The blast is what makes the MOAB the Mother Of All (non-nuclear) Bombs. The MOP's blast is less than 20% by weight of the bomb, compared to almost 90% of the MOAB. Much bigger boom per pound than a MOP.

Keith B wrote:

mojo84 wrote:
Whether it is technically a MOAB or MOP, they both can be used for similar purpose which is bunker busting. Regardless, my point is the sensationalism of calling it the "mother of all bombs" is thick. Especially since the MOP is bigger. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive ... Penetrator
G26ster, that's what.

The MOP is only heavier by weight due to the thick steel needed to penetrate concrete. The blast is what makes the MOAB the Mother Of All (non-nuclear) Bombs. The MOP's blast is less than 20% by weight of the bomb, compared to almost 90% of the MOAB. Much bigger boom per pound than a MOP.

I understand that. I've read the Wikipedia articles also.

mojo84 wrote:

Keith B wrote:

mojo84 wrote:
Whether it is technically a MOAB or MOP, they both can be used for similar purpose which is bunker busting. Regardless, my point is the sensationalism of calling it the "mother of all bombs" is thick. Especially since the MOP is bigger. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive ... Penetrator
G26ster, that's what.

The MOP is only heavier by weight due to the thick steel needed to penetrate concrete. The blast is what makes the MOAB the Mother Of All (non-nuclear) Bombs. The MOP's blast is less than 20% by weight of the bomb, compared to almost 90% of the MOAB. Much bigger boom per pound than a MOP.

I understand that. I've read the Wikipedia articles also.

Then you would have to agree it is the Mother Of All Bombs dropped since WWII.

Keith B wrote:

mojo84 wrote:

Keith B wrote:

mojo84 wrote:
Whether it is technically a MOAB or MOP, they both can be used for similar purpose which is bunker busting. Regardless, my point is the sensationalism of calling it the "mother of all bombs" is thick. Especially since the MOP is bigger. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive ... Penetrator
G26ster, that's what.

The MOP is only heavier by weight due to the thick steel needed to penetrate concrete. The blast is what makes the MOAB the Mother Of All (non-nuclear) Bombs. The MOP's blast is less than 20% by weight of the bomb, compared to almost 90% of the MOAB. Much bigger boom per pound than a MOP.

I understand that. I've read the Wikipedia articles also.

Then you would have to agree it is the Mother Of All Bombs dropped since WWII.

I believe calling it that is sensationalism. Am I not allowed to have that opinion?

Speaking of...

I'm proud to say I had a very, very small part in working on the initial "bunker buster" used in Iraq. I worked on the Paveway laser guided bomb project, which was the guidance unit used for this initial bunker buster. Three weeks (3 weeks!) from initial idea to bombs away! Amazing stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-28

mojo84 wrote:

Keith B wrote:

mojo84 wrote:

Keith B wrote:

mojo84 wrote:
Whether it is technically a MOAB or MOP, they both can be used for similar purpose which is bunker busting. Regardless, my point is the sensationalism of calling it the "mother of all bombs" is thick. Especially since the MOP is bigger. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive ... Penetrator
G26ster, that's what.

The MOP is only heavier by weight due to the thick steel needed to penetrate concrete. The blast is what makes the MOAB the Mother Of All (non-nuclear) Bombs. The MOP's blast is less than 20% by weight of the bomb, compared to almost 90% of the MOAB. Much bigger boom per pound than a MOP.

I understand that. I've read the Wikipedia articles also.

Then you would have to agree it is the Mother Of All Bombs dropped since WWII.

I believe calling it that is sensationalism. Am I not allowed to have that opinion?

Sure you are, but so is everyone else to theirs.

I assume you would have to agree that is the largest ordnance device we currently have ever deployed since WWII. And the nickname was not given to it by the media, it was tagged to it by the people who work with it. Even the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were given nicknames.

Keith B wrote:

mojo84 wrote:

Keith B wrote:

mojo84 wrote:

Keith B wrote:

mojo84 wrote:
Whether it is technically a MOAB or MOP, they both can be used for similar purpose which is bunker busting. Regardless, my point is the sensationalism of calling it the "mother of all bombs" is thick. Especially since the MOP is bigger. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive ... Penetrator
G26ster, that's what.

The MOP is only heavier by weight due to the thick steel needed to penetrate concrete. The blast is what makes the MOAB the Mother Of All (non-nuclear) Bombs. The MOP's blast is less than 20% by weight of the bomb, compared to almost 90% of the MOAB. Much bigger boom per pound than a MOP.

I understand that. I've read the Wikipedia articles also.

Then you would have to agree it is the Mother Of All Bombs dropped since WWII.

I believe calling it that is sensationalism. Am I not allowed to have that opinion?

Sure you are, but so is everyone else to theirs.

I assume you would have to agree that is the largest ordnance device we currently have ever deployed since WWII. And the nickname was not given to it by the media, it was tagged to it by the people who work with it. Even the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were given nicknames.

I'm not the one that corrected anyone's opinion based on Wikipedia articles. Many are saying it's the "largest" non-nuclear bomb. I pointed out it is not the largest. It may be the most powerful non-nuclear bomb and I have not dusputed that. Regardless who dubbed it the " Mother of all bombs:, I believe that is sensationalism. That's my point.

In my opinion, a nuclear bomb would more accurately be considered the mother of all bombs. That is my opinion. It's also my opinion some enjoy correcting others whether or not it is warranted or necessary.

Bockscar and Ebola Gay dropping Fat Man and Little Boy doesn't sound near as sensational as "mother of all bombs".
http://www.atomicheritage.org/history/h ... anes-crews

Enjoy your evening and have a good Easter.

mojo84 wrote:
I'm not the one that corrected anyone's opinion based on Wikipedia articles. Many are saying it's the "largest" non-nuclear bomb. I pointed out it is not the largest. It may be the most powerful non-nuclear bomb and I have not dusputed that. Regardless who dubbed it the " Mother of all bombs:, I believe that is sensationalism. That's my point.

In my opinion, a nuclear bomb would more accurately be considered the mother of all bombs. That is my opinion. It's also my opinion some enjoy correcting others whether or not it is warranted or necessary.

Bockscar and Ebola Gay dropping Fat Man and Little Boy doesn't sound near as sensational as "mother of all bombs".
http://www.atomicheritage.org/history/h ... anes-crews

Enjoy your evening and have a good Easter.

Wasn't trying to 'correct an opinion', just clarified that it was not what was being called the 'bunker buster' in previous use by previous administrations. New, bigger boom, and different type of bomb that's never been used in combat before.

And, while it may be sensationalism, it is just what it is called, and many believe the term fits, even if you don't. Easily remembered alternate names for acronyms are frequently given to all types of things, some accurate and some not so accurate. In this case, it's the biggest one used, so that's what they call it. And it sends a message to the Fat Man in NK that the current administration is not afraid to use force, up to dropping a new 'Fat Man' if it is needed to stop aggression and threats to our country, its people and our allies.

My last response. Hope you have a good Easter as well. He is risen!!

Isn't it because nuclear is in another cat Igor You?

philip964 wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/15/worl ... .html?_r=0

Former President Hamid Karzai objects to weapons testing on his countrymen.

How did this guy end up with our support? Do I blame Obama?

I object to aircraft being tested against tall buildings at the direction Bin Laden while being harbored by Karzai's countrymen....after even the Yemenis kicked him out...

And today I saw reports that the initial report of 36 was very low. The MOAB collapsed lots of tunnels & supposedly destroyed a munitions depo. The body count has risen to close to 100 and is expected to keep going up.

Just a FYI, this thing generates 142 psi of overpressure, that is 1,308,672 psi in a 4'×8' area!

mojo84 wrote:

Keith B wrote:

mojo84 wrote:During previous administrations it was referred to as a "bunker buster". Now it is being referred to as the "mother of all bombs" (MOAB). Seems like the sensationalism is being ratcheted up some.

Not the same bomb, but same family of bombs. This one is a Massive Ordinance Air Blast (MOAB) and detonates above the ground. The force caves in tunnels and caves below ground.

Bunker Busters, or MOP's (Massive Ordinance Penetrator's) actually penetrate the ground and go deep below the surface before detonating. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_O ... Penetrator

Whether it is technically a MOAB or MOP, they both can be used for similar purpose which is bunker busting. Regardless, my point is the sensationalism of calling it the "mother of all bombs" is thick. Especially since the MOP is bigger. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive ... Penetrator
G26ster, that's what.

Most people would classify size, when referring to bombs, as the amount of explosive they contain, not the total weight. Having a 50000 pound bomb with 1000 pounds of explosive would be irrelevant and nobody would consider it the largest. The explosive content is why it has the nickname and using that i do it is the largest non nuclear.