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Re: Question
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:09 pm
by AF-Odin
Have had a Texas CHL/LTC since 1996. Since then, I have had a number of encounters with LE. Luckily none ended with an actual ticket, but a few did result in a warning. IANAL, but recommendation I make to my students is ALWAYS provide information on your LTC as well as the status of whether or not you are carrying and WHERE the firearm is located. I have had some interesting encounters: #1 Officer--what are you carrying----Me--S&W Model 39----Officer--haven't seen one of those in years. #2 Officer---lets make a deal, you don't show me yours and I won't show you mine. #3 Officer---why are you NOT carrying---Me---I work on Fort Hood and am on my way to work---Officer--Bummer. Couple of Officers---Thanks.
Re: Question
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 1:12 pm
by 03Lightningrocks
mojo84 wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:46 am
I do not believe multiple officers gave the advice stated in the original post. Neither a good or bad cop would give that advice. Bad cops do not advertise they are bad cops and good cops would never give such dangerous and ridiculous advice.
Have never ever heard a cop recommend anyone handle a gun for any reason at any point during a traffic stop. The castle doctrine comment even further reduces the credibility of the original post.
Looks to me like someone is just trying to stimulate conversation for conversations sake.
Well, since you went and said it out loud, I have to admit to doubting it myself.
Re: Question
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:37 pm
by narcissist
mojo84 wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:46 am
I do not believe multiple officers gave the advice stated in the original post. Neither a good or bad cop would give that advice. Bad cops do not advertise they are bad cops and good cops would never give such dangerous and ridiculous advice.
Have never ever heard a cop recommend anyone handle a gun for any reason at any point during a traffic stop. The castle doctrine comment even further reduces the credibility of the original post.
Looks to me like someone is just trying to stimulate conversation for conversations sake.
Would you like names? I'm sure thats against the rules as far as you believing me couldn't really care less..
Re: Question
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:52 pm
by narcissist
mojo84 wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:46 am
I do not believe multiple officers gave the advice stated in the original post. Neither a good or bad cop would give that advice. Bad cops do not advertise they are bad cops and good cops would never give such dangerous and ridiculous advice.
Have never ever heard a cop recommend anyone handle a gun for any reason at any point during a traffic stop. The castle doctrine comment even further reduces the credibility of the original post.
Looks to me like someone is just trying to stimulate conversation for conversations sake.
Question are you one of the people hired on here to "keep the peace" so to speak? That way if anyone tells the "truth" and if its bad/makes police look bad be sure and try to make them look like a lier? I think I know of one other thats doing the same thing just not going to point figers at that person yet..... Remember everyone not even the "bad" cops would do this lol, man get real. You took the handling of the weapon in the wrong context or I guess I should of explained it a lot better, maybe with Big Letter and Pictures.
Re: Question
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:10 pm
by Keith B
OK folks, drop the accusations.
As for the information you were given, it is very poor advice, and if they provided that to you, then they need retrained on proper encounters with license holders.
The info given here on how to interface with a LEO during a traffic stop is accurate, and if they handle it as they told you they are opening the department and themselves up for a §1983 lawsuit for violating the license holder’s civil rights.
Re: Question
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:12 pm
by mojo84
Just stated I do not believe cops would give the advice outlined in the original post. In accordance with the rules of the forum, I kept my comments focused on the topic and post and said absolutely nothing about the poster. I did speculate regarding the purpose of the post. Therefore, this folk didn't make any accusations.
Posting information saying cops have given advice to move the handgun to the glove box once a traffic stop has been initiated and then to claim one is carrying under the castle doctrine is extremely bad information that needs to be refuted strongly. People could get shot following such advice so it should be refuted strongly.
Re: Question
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:14 pm
by mojo84
narcissist wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:37 pm
mojo84 wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:46 am
I do not believe multiple officers gave the advice stated in the original post. Neither a good or bad cop would give that advice. Bad cops do not advertise they are bad cops and good cops would never give such dangerous and ridiculous advice.
Have never ever heard a cop recommend anyone handle a gun for any reason at any point during a traffic stop. The castle doctrine comment even further reduces the credibility of the original post.
Looks to me like someone is just trying to stimulate conversation for conversations sake.
Would you like names? I'm sure thats against the rules as far as you believing me couldn't really care less..
Nope
Re: Question
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:57 pm
by DKB
I have to disagree with most everything in the original post. The law is clear: we have to show our LTC any time LE demands our ID. If you are driving they have every right to demand your DL.
I’ve been stopped twice while carrying in Texas. Both times I chose to: turn on my interior light, roll the windows all the way down, get my wallet in my hand, and then place both hands on the wheel before the officer arrived. I’ve also started carrying my insurance card in my wallet so I don’t have to reach for anything else during a stop.
When the officer asked for ID, I gave him my: DL, LTC & ins all at the same time and put my hand back on the wheel. He asked if I was carrying. I responded “Yes, on my right hip” and that was it. I kept my hands on the wheel and it was a non-issue. Both times I got off with warnings btw.
Cops have discretion to disarm you or not and to leave you in your car or not. Moving around is probably the easiest way to get removed from your car and disarmed.
Being still, moving slowly only when necessary, being polite, & speaking calmly is probably the easiest/safest way to avoid any drama.
Re: Question
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:12 pm
by narcissist
DKB wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:57 pm
I have to disagree with most everything in the original post. The law is clear: we have to show our LTC any time LE demands our ID. If you are driving they have every right to demand your DL.
I’ve been stopped twice while carrying in Texas. Both times I chose to: turn on my interior light, roll the windows all the way down, get my wallet in my hand, and then place both hands on the wheel before the officer arrived. I’ve also started carrying my insurance card in my wallet so I don’t have to reach for anything else during a stop.
When the officer asked for ID, I gave him my: DL, LTC & ins all at the same time and put my hand back on the wheel. He asked if I was carrying. I responded “Yes, on my right hip” and that was it. I kept my hands on the wheel and it was a non-issue. Both times I got off with warnings btw.
Cops have discretion to disarm you or not and to leave you in your car or not. Moving around is probably the easiest way to get removed from your car and disarmed.
Being still, moving slowly only when necessary, being polite, & speaking calmly is probably the easiest/safest way to avoid any drama.
everyone has the right to speak their mind. Luckily you have had good encounters with Law Enforcement and I truly wish you the best of luck in the future.