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SewTexas wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:40 pm a friend is a manager of a restaurant in Dallas....she had to let go 30 people this morning, she was in tears, almost inconsolable, she figures they have about 2 weeks before the place shuts down completely. I hadn't realized the mayor had made them shut down. All over a few confirmed cases? When this is over I hope people sue the city, or him personally.

03Lightningrocks wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:56 pm

SewTexas wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:40 pm a friend is a manager of a restaurant in Dallas....she had to let go 30 people this morning, she was in tears, almost inconsolable, she figures they have about 2 weeks before the place shuts down completely. I hadn't realized the mayor had made them shut down. All over a few confirmed cases? When this is over I hope people sue the city, or him personally.

I feel it is horrible how this thing is getting turned into a government take over. I own an HVAC business. People have already stopped calling. They are all afraid of the boogy man. I have enough funds to last us maybe a month but then it is over for us. Because we are a small business with no real inventory to use as collateral, we can't qualify for any small business loans. This was suppose to be the start of our busy season. We were expecting a great year due to economy being so strong. While the government is forcing businesses to shut down, are they going to tell all our bill collectors they must not collect from us? Not likely. This thing is going to needlessly destroy millions of businesses.

SewTexas wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:00 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:56 pm

SewTexas wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:40 pm a friend is a manager of a restaurant in Dallas....she had to let go 30 people this morning, she was in tears, almost inconsolable, she figures they have about 2 weeks before the place shuts down completely. I hadn't realized the mayor had made them shut down. All over a few confirmed cases? When this is over I hope people sue the city, or him personally.

I feel it is horrible how this thing is getting turned into a government take over. I own an HVAC business. People have already stopped calling. They are all afraid of the boogy man. I have enough funds to last us maybe a month but then it is over for us. Because we are a small business with no real inventory to use as collateral, we can't qualify for any small business loans. This was suppose to be the start of our busy season. We were expecting a great year due to economy being so strong. While the government is forcing businesses to shut down, are they going to tell all our bill collectors they must not collect from us? Not likely. This thing is going to needlessly destroy millions of businesses.

they'll start calling again, it will get hot soon and they will need you.

Prior to Covid-19 people with the flu, TB, HIV, meningitis, hepatitis etc run around with the ability to spread it to those they interact with yet their movement is not restricted by the government. I see this in the same way but you’re in the medical field so you may see it differently.

03Lightningrocks wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:03 pm

SewTexas wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:00 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:56 pm

SewTexas wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:40 pm a friend is a manager of a restaurant in Dallas....she had to let go 30 people this morning, she was in tears, almost inconsolable, she figures they have about 2 weeks before the place shuts down completely. I hadn't realized the mayor had made them shut down. All over a few confirmed cases? When this is over I hope people sue the city, or him personally.

I feel it is horrible how this thing is getting turned into a government take over. I own an HVAC business. People have already stopped calling. They are all afraid of the boogy man. I have enough funds to last us maybe a month but then it is over for us. Because we are a small business with no real inventory to use as collateral, we can't qualify for any small business loans. This was suppose to be the start of our busy season. We were expecting a great year due to economy being so strong. While the government is forcing businesses to shut down, are they going to tell all our bill collectors they must not collect from us? Not likely. This thing is going to needlessly destroy millions of businesses.

they'll start calling again, it will get hot soon and they will need you.

Right now, I needed to hear that. Thank You.

carlson1 wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:52 pm

Prior to Covid-19 people with the flu, TB, HIV, meningitis, hepatitis etc run around with the ability to spread it to those they interact with yet their movement is not restricted by the government. I see this in the same way but you’re in the medical field so you may see it differently.

This is just a test! A test to see who would lay down their rights.

No ride shares, no gatherings of 50 or more, churches must close, restaurants must close, bars. must close, etc... and let us just see who will stand up for their rights and say, “NO!”

PriestTheRunner wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:13 pm

imkopaka wrote: Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:15 pm There's a man in Kentucky right now under 24 hour armed lockdown in his home because he refused to self-quarantine. To be fair he is confirmed infected, but it supports your point regardless. It's not a big jump to enforce that kind of quarantine on someone who may be infected, or is at risk of being infected, or whatever else they decide.

I don't think any circumstance should allow government to forcefully abolish the constitution at the barrel of a gun.

Emergency declarations or not, private property is private property and it is the basis of our common agreement regarding governance. I stand my earlier post outlining all the ways the constitution has been crapped on by this mess. I ALSO stand by the fact that I said self-isolation and social distancing are good ideas and should be practiced right now, I just don't think the government has the right to do so at the end of a gun.

I'll go on the record for these:
1) Social distancing is a good idea right now
2) Self and Household-quarantine after showing symptoms is a good idea
3) Postponing large gatherings (My church consists of 1200 regular attendees) is a great idea
4) Postponing school for a few weeks, and college's going with distance learning is a great idea

5) None of this is within Government's purview to force upon others at the barrel of a gun.

6) If you are immuno-suppressed, it is YOUR responsibility to take steps to avoid catching this
7) If you, by necessity, must visit or work with the immuno-suppressed, you have extra responsibility to self-assess for symptoms daily or hourly, and take extra steps to prevent possible early stage spreading of the disease (including masks, gloves, extra hand washing, etc).

If we trust those who are immuno-suppressed and those who work with them to fully assume their responsibility in this, we could get by with lower infection rates, a lower overall spread rate, and a more realistic overview. The idea that you 'wont catch it' is false. Us beating this thing is about those who would be serious cases not all catching it simultaneously, and quickly developing a vaccine as well as developing a method of care that produces the best possible case outcomes. The idea that we can shut it down completely is false.

Why have we abandoned personal responsibility and handed it over to the government? When has that EVER worked in any method whatsoever? What if it was determined that the 'home production of ammo' was dangerous to our society? What if it was determined (and rightly so) that guns kill more people than the Corona-Virus did, and we shut down our society over that? Would there be any logical reason to withhold a full ban on guns and ammo under that same line of thinking?

Do people really own their property or not? Do people really have the liberty of choice or not? Those are the fundamental questions at bay here, not just a viral scare.

Don't PATRIOT act the rest of my rights away.