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Re: Rep. Gaetz Calls on ATF to Cease Plans Restricting Arm Brace Usage

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:05 pm
by parabelum
I’m still trying to figure out why an AR pistol with brace or even with a full stock is discussion point. Makes no sense but then again, I’d expect nothing less from the protifa sympathizers.

At 16” you’re not as deadly as at 15 15/16”, and with a brace (which is less conducive to being accurate) you’re more deadly and thusly illegal then with a full stock. Huh????

Oh well. Another day in DC.

Re: Rep. Gaetz Calls on ATF to Cease Plans Restricting Arm Brace Usage

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 1:05 pm
by gtolbert09

Re: Rep. Gaetz Calls on ATF to Cease Plans Restricting Arm Brace Usage

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:02 pm
by K.Mooneyham
I don't consider President Trump a "gun guy" in any sense of the word. However, I don't believe him to be specifically anti-firearms, either. I simply don't think he's knowledgeable on the subject. Unfortunately, he listened to some bad advice concerning the bump stocks. Hopefully he got wind of the blowback. He certainly hasn't made any more overtures in that direction. Joe Biden, OTOH, has been expressly anti-2A, anti-firearms, and anti-self-defense his entire political career. So, with that in mind, the choice for me becomes rather easy to make.

Re: Rep. Gaetz Calls on ATF to Cease Plans Restricting Arm Brace Usage

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 5:14 am
by Liberty
K.Mooneyham wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:02 pm I don't consider President Trump a "gun guy" in any sense of the word. However, I don't believe him to be specifically anti-firearms, either. I simply don't think he's knowledgeable on the subject. Unfortunately, he listened to some bad advice concerning the bump stocks. Hopefully he got wind of the blowback. He certainly hasn't made any more overtures in that direction. Joe Biden, OTOH, has been expressly anti-2A, anti-firearms, and anti-self-defense his entire political career. So, with that in mind, the choice for me becomes rather easy to make.
The thing about Trump is that he isn't really a conservative, He is a "populist". The El Paso masacre was horrific, and stunned the whole nation. He fell into the "We gotta do something" trap even if the something has nothing to do with fixing the issue. The "we gotta do something" mood happens after every gun related tragedy and almost got us a Beto Senator.

Re: Rep. Gaetz Calls on ATF to Cease Plans Restricting Arm Brace Usage

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:41 am
by Excaliber

Re: Rep. Gaetz Calls on ATF to Cease Plans Restricting Arm Brace Usage

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:40 am
by parabelum
Excaliber wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:41 am Update:

White House / DOJ looking into ATF actions.
Good!

Re: Rep. Gaetz Calls on ATF to Cease Plans Restricting Arm Brace Usage

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:43 am
by The Annoyed Man
Tim of Military Arms Channel has some good insider information on his Patreon Channel on what’s happening here, and why.

Re: Rep. Gaetz Calls on ATF to Cease Plans Restricting Arm Brace Usage

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:47 am
by K.Mooneyham
The Annoyed Man wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:43 am Tim of Military Arms Channel has some good insider information on his Patreon Channel on what’s happening here, and why.
I went to his YT page, but didn't see anything new on the topic. Where did you see that video from Tim?

Re: Rep. Gaetz Calls on ATF to Cease Plans Restricting Arm Brace Usage

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:20 pm
by The Annoyed Man
K.Mooneyham wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:47 am
The Annoyed Man wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:43 am Tim of Military Arms Channel has some good insider information on his Patreon Channel on what’s happening here, and why.
I went to his YT page, but didn't see anything new on the topic. Where did you see that video from Tim?
It's on Patreon, for his Patreon paid subscribers only. It’s not a video, it’s a blog post, with some links, historical background, and ongoing details. He’s deliberately kept it "private" for his monetary supporters only, as he is a party to some of the ongoing litigation against the ATF, and his Patreon subscribers help pay for some of it.

Re: Rep. Gaetz Calls on ATF to Cease Plans Restricting Arm Brace Usage

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:14 pm
by K.Mooneyham
The Annoyed Man wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:20 pm
K.Mooneyham wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:47 am
The Annoyed Man wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:43 am Tim of Military Arms Channel has some good insider information on his Patreon Channel on what’s happening here, and why.
I went to his YT page, but didn't see anything new on the topic. Where did you see that video from Tim?
It's on Patreon, for his Patreon paid subscribers only. It’s not a video, it’s a blog post, with some links, historical background, and ongoing details. He’s deliberately kept it "private" for his monetary supporters only, as he is a party to some of the ongoing litigation against the ATF, and his Patreon subscribers help pay for some of it.
Roger that. Thanks for letting me know.

Re: Rep. Gaetz Calls on ATF to Cease Plans Restricting Arm Brace Usage

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:37 pm
by Grayling813
Rogue ATF Leadership Targets the Honey Badger & Gun Voters Before the Election
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ATF Acting Director Regina Lombardo, who is not President Trump's pick to lead the ATF, is a career bureaucrat. AmmoLand New’s sources inside the agency say she is not loyal to the president. Several independent sources have stated that Lombardo has a narrower definition of the Second Amendment than President Trump & the rest of America.

Sources also tell AmmoLand News that Associate Deputy Director Marvin Richardson, another career bureaucrat, has an ax-to-grind against pistol braces and belives they violate the NFA but doesn’t think that they have the political capital to make a move against the millions of accessories under a Trump presidency. Those inside ATF with knowledge of the situation told AmmoLand News that higher-ups at the ATF believe that they will have the political capital and cover to go after braces under an anti-gun Biden administration.

BATF Headquarters advised all their agents not to answer questions on braces. This ban on answering questions does not just apply to the media. Agents cannot answer questions about braces’ legality, even if asked by firearms manufactures and gun dealers who sell the braces.

The same unnamed sources feel that the ATF agency heads are preparing for a Biden victory. They have inferred from conversations with ATF leaders that they are actively working to defeat Trump, and this move was to designed to disenfranchise gun owners just ahead of the election. Although the heads did not say this directly, three independent sources who work closely with the agency heads have verified this interference to be the unspoken truth within the highest halls of the ATF.
From the ATF website
Mr. Richardson is the recipient of numerous Special Act Awards for outstanding service such as the Treasury Department’s Hostile Action Medal for service during the 1993 Branch Davidian conflict in Waco, Texas; and ATF’s Supervisory Employee of the Year Award in 2010 for outstanding leadership contributions.