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Re: Shooting at Twin Peaks in Waco
Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 10:33 am
by Oldgringo
ScooterSissy wrote:mojo84 wrote:Yeah, but 100% of the bikers shooting it out at Twin Peaks were bad guys and not choir boys.
What, exactly, makes them all "bad guys", and from where do you get your information?
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"It only takes one bad apple to spoil the bushel", somebody said that.
Re: Shooting at Twin Peaks in Waco
Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 10:43 am
by mojo84
ScooterSissy wrote:mojo84 wrote:Yeah, but 100% of the bikers shooting it out at Twin Peaks were bad guys and not choir boys.
What, exactly, makes them all "bad guys", and from where do you get your information?
This was an announced CoC meeting. If you and your wife and a few other couples decided you wanted to start wearing a backpatch on leather vests with pretty pink ponies and a top rocker in gold lettering that said "Imagination Riders"; you very well might find yourself at a CoC meeting (just like this one) asking their permission.
That's one of problems with the way stories of this incident are being spread; people who
think they know something, when they really don't.
It's the bottom territory rocker that matters. As long as the others don't copy the patches of the established gangs, they don't worry about it.
Also, because they think they can extort money from me because I put a Texas patch at the bottom of my vest at the risk of physical harm alone makes them bad guys.
The guys that were killed were all known biker gang members.
Re: Shooting at Twin Peaks in Waco
Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 10:52 am
by ScooterSissy
treadlightly wrote:You know, I think I know how to prevent more violence. The problem is gangs bickering over who owns Texas, right?
How 'bout we issue every DPS trooper a vest. Top rocker, 'DPS'. Main patch, the state seal. Bottom rocker? Of course, TEXAS.
I figure that would answer the question, and with the way group affiliation begats good times, the highways will be friendlier to boot.
What do you think?

Something similar has been done - check out the Blue Knights (Texas) ;)
Re: Shooting at Twin Peaks in Waco
Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 11:04 am
by ScooterSissy
cb1000rider wrote:mojo84 wrote:Would you guys be saying the same things about some of them being good guys if it was the Crips and Bloods that shot it out in a busy shopping center?
No.. and if that's really what they are, then I'd stand to be corrected... I just have trouble getting my head around that's what these 180 people happened to be - hard core criminals... The only real evidence seems to be wearing a patch, riding a motorcycle, and being present at a location where there was a gunfight... No doubt some of them are bad guys. They're basically charged due to wearing a patch. I mean if that's the way we're going to do it, lets go round up every bandana wearing hoodlum that there is - which would probably be a much more effective exercise...
I'm sort of late getting to this "party", but I was away from a computer all week, and just now catching up; so this may be ground already covered (as are some of my other comments).
There is more to this than just "wearing a patch and riding a motorcycle". That would be a riding club, not a motorcycle club. If you're a member of an RC (CMA for instance, or GWRRA) you show up, join, buy a patch, and start wearing it. If you are a member of an MC, you got to know members before you were allowed to be around them. You were around them before you got to be a prospect. You were a prospect before you became a member. You agreed to a lot of conditions before you did any of those things.
None of those MC members just showed up wearing a patch one day. Had they done so, it would have been removed, quickly.
This page -
http://www.rcvsmc.net/id3.html - will explain the different attitudes about an RC and an MC. The whole site is a "long read", but some of you may find it of interest.
Re: Shooting at Twin Peaks in Waco
Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 11:37 am
by ScooterSissy
mojo84 wrote:ScooterSissy wrote:mojo84 wrote:Yeah, but 100% of the bikers shooting it out at Twin Peaks were bad guys and not choir boys.
What, exactly, makes them all "bad guys", and from where do you get your information?
This was an announced CoC meeting. If you and your wife and a few other couples decided you wanted to start wearing a backpatch on leather vests with pretty pink ponies and a top rocker in gold lettering that said "Imagination Riders"; you very well might find yourself at a CoC meeting (just like this one) asking their permission.
That's one of problems with the way stories of this incident are being spread; people who
think they know something, when they really don't.
It's the bottom territory rocker that matters. As long as the others don't copy the patches of the established gangs, they don't worry about it.
Also, because they think they can extort money from me because I put a Texas patch at the bottom of my vest at the risk of physical harm alone makes them bad guys.
The guys that were killed were all known biker gang members.
My apologies - You said "100% of the bikers shooting it out", and somehow my brain quick scanned it into reading "100% of the bikers
there". It was a mistake on my part.
I agree, those involved in the shoot out were most likely bad guys, to one degree or another. I don't know that everyone present was.
Re: Shooting at Twin Peaks in Waco
Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 4:34 pm
by Abraham
1 percenter bikers...
Middle age to elderly dirtbags on motorcycles with an average maturity of a retarded 12 year old...
What's not to admire...?
Re: Shooting at Twin Peaks in Waco
Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 6:20 pm
by ShootDontTalk
ScooterSissy wrote:
This was an announced CoC meeting. If you and your wife and a few other couples decided you wanted to start wearing a backpatch on leather vests with pretty pink ponies and a top rocker in gold lettering that said "Imagination Riders"; you very well might find yourself at a CoC meeting (just like this one) asking their permission.
Just a question here. If I go out and buy a $40,000 motorcycle for my wife and myself, spend thousands of dollars for matching "biker gear" at the Harley dealer, and wear leather jackets with whatever I want on them, why do I then need to ask permission of anyone?
IMHO there are a lot of hairs being split here. If I wear a Texas rocker on a jacket and someone politely asks me to take it off, I will probably smile and walk away. If they ORDER me to take it off or pay for the privilege of wearing it at the threat of violence, they are going to get a rather different reaction. People who do such things commit extortion. I think going to a meeting where such concepts are even hinted at would be risky. Am I wrong?
Re: Shooting at Twin Peaks in Waco
Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 7:03 pm
by Oldgringo
Setting aside the issues of shootings, stabbings and other questionable activities for a moment, why do the biker's cycles have to be so aggressively loud? The Honda Gold Wings have a very friendly sound.
Re: Shooting at Twin Peaks in Waco
Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 7:11 pm
by WildBill
Oldgringo wrote:Setting aside the issues of shootings, stabbings and other questionable activities for a moment, why do the biker's cycles have to be so aggressively loud? The Honda Gold Wings have a very friendly sound.
I have wondered the same thing. Maybe they want to be noticed.
Re: Shooting at Twin Peaks in Waco
Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 7:50 pm
by RPBrown
AndyC wrote:"Loud pipes save lives" - I have some empathy for that, having being almost sideswiped by cars as a youngster.

Re: Shooting at Twin Peaks in Waco
Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 8:59 pm
by anygunanywhere
Abraham wrote:1 percenter bikers...
Middle age to elderly dirtbags on motorcycles with an average maturity of a retarded 12 year old...
What's not to admire...?
Mid-life crisis to the extreme?
Re: Shooting at Twin Peaks in Waco
Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 9:21 pm
by Pawpaw
AndyC wrote:"Loud pipes save lives" - I have some empathy for that, having being almost sideswiped by cars as a youngster.
I had an incident years ago where even my loud pipes (tips w/o mufflers) wouldn't wake up the old couple in a '57 Chevy, but a brogan to the front door sure did!

Re: Shooting at Twin Peaks in Waco
Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 9:31 pm
by jason812
Oldgringo wrote:Setting aside the issues of shootings, stabbings and other questionable activities for a moment, why do the biker's cycles have to be so aggressively loud? The Honda Gold Wings have a very friendly sound.
If it's too loud, you're too old,

I think bikes need to have some noise to them but a stock Honda is too quiet and I've heard some bikes that are way too loud. With that being said, I miss my bike that I got rid of 15 years ago but no way I would ride on the street any more. Wish I wouldn't get hurt any more and I'd have another dirt bike in a second. Got rid of that 5 years ago, maybe it took me a while to grow up.
I find it absurd that you have to pay protection money to wear a patch on a leather jacket or Canadian tuxedo. I've heard that even the Christian clubs have to pay these scum bags.
In a coming police auction, there will be plenty of scooters to bid on.