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As Neil Boortz often said, the Libertarian Party will not solve the nation's problems, but libertarian ideas within the existing two party system has a pretty good chance.

As a Libertarian, I will vote for Romney and Ted Cruz, in hopes that the libertarian ideas may take a more prevalent role in DC.

I am aware enough to notice the hand basket we are all in.

Jaguar wrote:As Neil Boortz often said, the Libertarian Party will not solve the nation's problems, but libertarian ideas within the existing two party system has a pretty good chance.

As a Libertarian, I will vote for Romney and Ted Cruz, in hopes that the libertarian ideas may take a more prevalent role in DC.

I am aware enough to notice the hand basket we are all in.

Well put.

Jaguar wrote:As Neil Boortz often said, the Libertarian Party will not solve the nation's problems, but libertarian ideas within the existing two party system has a pretty good chance.

As a Libertarian, I will vote for Romney and Ted Cruz, in hopes that the libertarian ideas may take a more prevalent role in DC.

I am aware enough to notice the hand basket we are all in.

And this is a very rational and realistic answer. THANK YOU!! And the fact is that certain libertarian ideas have worked their way into the republican mainstream.....and I have inculcated some of those ideas into my own viewpoint. Your realism acknowledges A) the natural connection that should exist between republicans and libertarians, B) that the way to get those libertarian ideals deployed into DC is through the agency of the republican party, because there is no realistic chance that the libertarian party will be effective that way.

Tomorrow night Obama will hit Romney on his tenure at Bain.
Obama will try to paint Romney as a job-killing Wall Streeter, out for only personal financial gain.
Romney's job will be to
1. Demonstrate how those accusations are false, and further...
2. To unveil Obama for the purely ideological, economic dim-wit, crony-socialist that he really is.

To that end, here's the real story behind the "success" of the auto bailout.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielmitch ... ooks-like/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=BGFY6Rg2uMg[/youtube]

and here's how Romney would have handled it, within the bounds of existing contract law.
Skip to 4:30 to 8:00 for auto-bailout discussion.
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=fSx62avu2kA[/youtube]

I predict Obama takes it easy on the communist agenda tomorrow. The public doesn't want to hear the "tax, tax, eat the rich" diatribe and it shows in the polls. He will be a good politician; lie, use some buzz words and move on.

I hope Mitt is ready and keeps up the performance of the last 2 debates. I might not be ready to vote for him yet but I'll cheer him on in the debates.

Interesting

I’m doubling down. Mitt Romney will win the presidency, and it won’t be close.

I’m predicting a 5 to 7 point popular vote victory. Electorally it won’t even be that close. Romney will win many states that went to Obama in 2008. I’m predicting Romney victories in Ohio, Florida, Colorado, Virginia, Iowa, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, North Carolina, and Indiana. I predict a Romney victory by 100 to 120 electoral votes

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/ ... p=obinsite

Jim Beaux wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:Everyone, no matter what their income level, should pay taxes if they work and have income.

I do not propose fixing stupid since that is not possible. I do want to stop rewarding stupid.

No longer rewarding stupid will stop enabling the perpetual welfare state.

Anygunanywhere

I agree. Anyone who votes must have a vested interest in our country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vested_interest

I just wrote a check yesterday to the IRS for $13,181.00. You can bet your double bippy that I have a vested interest now if I didn't have one before.....which I did. I'm more than a little irritated about it. A friend at church asked me jokingly, "Is that for me?" I said, "Why, are you an Obama supporter?"

Jim Beaux wrote:Interesting

I’m doubling down. Mitt Romney will win the presidency, and it won’t be close.

I’m predicting a 5 to 7 point popular vote victory. Electorally it won’t even be that close. Romney will win many states that went to Obama in 2008. I’m predicting Romney victories in Ohio, Florida, Colorado, Virginia, Iowa, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, North Carolina, and Indiana. I predict a Romney victory by 100 to 120 electoral votes

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/ ... p=obinsite

The author of that article is Wayne Allen Root. I believe that a few pages back in this thread, I posted an article by him talking about why he, as a libertarian, decided to give full throated support to Romney's candidacy. Let's just say that I'm hoping for a Romney landslide, but I won't believe it until after the fact. This is still a close election......TOO close to get cocky this close to election day. I hope that Root is correct (and makes a whole bunch of that Vegas money because of it), but I'm still stocking up on ammo.

I will admit that he made some interesting statements in support of his prediction though, and I found this one particularly compelling:

Christians will turn out in record numbers this year. Obama has offended Christians again and again. Last election 20 million evangelical Christians did not vote. They will turn out in record numbers in 2012 to defeat the most anti-Christian President in US history. How motivated are Christians? Did you see the long lines around the country to support Chick-fil-A this summer? You’ll see those same lines on election day.

As a Christian myself, it has been tempting to think of this possibility; but again, I'll believe it when I see it. I think that Christians are not irrational people simply because we believe in something that an atheist would find ludicrous, but if the Christian vote depends on having been offended as Christians as a motivation, then that is far too risky a proposition for me. And large numbers of those large numbers who turned out in favor of Chick-fil-A were not Christians at all. They were simply conservatives who'd had enough of the radical gay lobby's whining. There are TONS of reasons for voting for Romney without bringing one's faith into it. Indeed, some Christians have argued that Mormonism is a cult and that we ought not be electing one for that reason. I have not been part of that crowd, and here's why: I believe in the 1st Amendment as if it were Scripture. I'm not voting for a religious leader; I'm voting for a secular president—whatever his faith—who is first and foremost qualified for the job (Obama is not), and who will respect MY religious rights even if he doesn't share my faith. Obama claims to share my faith, but his actions speak otherwise more loudly than his words. But leaving religion out of it, Obama is SUCH a bad president that even the most died-in-the-wool evangelical Baptist (like me) ought to be able to find a million reasons not to vote for him without resorting to that of having been offended on account of their faith.

Besides, the Bible predicts that we'll be offended and/or persecuted, and that this is part of the process of His return. So although it is unpleasant (and we here in America have it FAAAAR easier than Christians in many other countries), we ought to rejoice in it because it points to something we long for.

I hope Root is right, but I'm not taking it as gospel until I see it........much like I did with the real gospel 19 years ago.

I remain ASTOUNDED that any Jew could vote for Obama. One of the most puzzling phenomenons I've experienced in my adult life. I'm considering a trip to Florida (since NC seems to be firming up) to campaign during the last two weeks. I haven't seen mom in a few months, I think her retirement-community neighbors (a very Jewish crowd) need a Texas-style wake up visit.

As I've said on this forum before, Obama won in 2008 for two reasons.
1. People were "done" with George Bush, because he failed miserably to communicate effectively and because of his allowing uncontrolled spending. I like and respect Mr. Bush, but he screwed up royally in these regards... and..
2. Racism. On top of the "dump Bush" backlash voters were given a choice of a well-spoken, well-educated, underdog-success-story, black man. It gave folks the opportunity to show the world "I'm not a racist, I voted for the black guy". Even the kids got excited, especially the kids.

Today, Obama IS GW Bush on spending, and then some. And the "proof I'm not a racist" group-think has been satisfied, overcome by the stink of Socialism, a rapidly growing welfare state, government nannyism and impending economic collapse. People will vote with their heads and wallets this year.

- The youth vote will be smaller and much less passionate. Most of those first-time voters that went for Obama are still unemployed or underemployed. Youthful exuberance will be attenuated by cold-hearted reality.
- As Mr. Root mentions, Evangelicals will vote this year.
- In 2008 it was easy for me to see "Hope & Change" for the empty shell of vague promises it was. I was dumbfounded that so many folks failed to see it. America (much of it) has shed its' blindfolds. Obama has nothing positive to show for his 4 years save one corpse at the bottom of the Atlantic.

I've been feeling an uneasy confidence that Romney will pull off a win since he chose Ryan as his running mate in August. Today, if you search "romney chooses paul ryan as running mate" on Google, the first (unsponsored) result you get is from Aljazeera. I don't know why I find that significant, but I do. I don't know what to do about the media, but, it seems they are still the only ones' that don't see that the Emperor has no clothes. Even chunks of Hollywood are coming out against Obama's reelection.

Tonight is a big night. If Romney can hold his ground tonight, or better, reveal finally and fully that Obama is a naked Emperor, then Obamas fate is sealed.

I've even allowed myself to contemplate the question "How do we convince Romney that his proposed incremental tax changes and old-school "tinkering with the code" are insufficient?" I pray I'm not premature in starting to look forward past 6-November.

I have my reservations about tonight's debate. The format is not kind to our cause because all questions are pre-screened. Those that control these debates are not our friends. The moderator could not be more anti-Romney nor more pro-Obama. This is a set up of the highest order. If Romney truly pulls it off tonight then I will be feeling a little better about November.

I did not watch the last debate because I cannot stomach even viewing the scabby pustule-in-chief. The very sound of his voice makes my insides churn.

Being on massive doses of anti-histamine for ragweed ain't helping any either. Anti-histamines makes me seriously twitch.

Anygunanywhere

The only way Rommney would have a chance to win is to become a centrist. In the first debate, Pres Obama was shocked to discover just said fact.

Too much here for me to respond to but:
1. I am very concerned that obama will steal the election.
2. I do have concerns about the debate being skewered by the moderator.
3. I believe that history will treat Dubya very well. He got a bad rap due to a combination of the MSM & congress. Under the circumstances he did well domestically, and his foreign policy was very good. At the end of his term our country had a normal occurring recession that happens from time to time; and obama turned a spark into an inferno.
4. DONT FORGET EARLY VOTING STARTS NEXT MONDAY, OCTOBER 22. BE THERE ARE BE SQUARE!
5. And friends: There is less than a month until election day when the people will decide who will be the next President. The person elected will be the president of all Americans, not just the Democrats or the Republicans. It's time that we all need to come together, Democrats and Republicans alike, in a bi-partisan effort for America :

If you will support Mitt Romney, please drive with your headlights ON during the day.

If you support Barack Obama, please drive with your headlights OFF at night.

Together, we can make it happen

RoyGBiv wrote:I remain ASTOUNDED that any Jew could vote for Obama. One of the most puzzling phenomenons I've experienced in my adult life. I'm considering a trip to Florida (since NC seems to be firming up) to campaign during the last two weeks. I haven't seen mom in a few months, I think her retirement-community neighbors (a very Jewish crowd) need a Texas-style wake up visit.

I'm more astounded that Roman Catholics vote for Obama and other pro-abortion candidates.

smoothoperator wrote:

RoyGBiv wrote:I remain ASTOUNDED that any Jew could vote for Obama. One of the most puzzling phenomenons I've experienced in my adult life. I'm considering a trip to Florida (since NC seems to be firming up) to campaign during the last two weeks. I haven't seen mom in a few months, I think her retirement-community neighbors (a very Jewish crowd) need a Texas-style wake up visit.

I'm more astounded that Roman Catholics vote for Obama and other pro-abortion candidates.

I read that the majority of RC's (I can't find the citation, but I recall 56%... could be mistaken) believe Rowe v Wade should stand, so, I'm not surprised that abortion is not a de-facto disqualifier for their Obama vote. OTOH, I don't hear of too many Jews agreeing with Iran that Israel should disappear.

So.. My ASTOUNDED is better...

ETA: I found the 2009 data showing 40%, but I still think the numbers are higher now.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/117154/catho ... cells.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RoyGBiv wrote:

smoothoperator wrote:

RoyGBiv wrote:I remain ASTOUNDED that any Jew could vote for Obama. One of the most puzzling phenomenons I've experienced in my adult life. I'm considering a trip to Florida (since NC seems to be firming up) to campaign during the last two weeks. I haven't seen mom in a few months, I think her retirement-community neighbors (a very Jewish crowd) need a Texas-style wake up visit.

I'm more astounded that Roman Catholics vote for Obama and other pro-abortion candidates.

I read that the majority of RC's (I can't find the citation, but I recall 56%... could be mistaken) believe Rowe v Wade should stand, so, I'm not surprised that abortion is not a de-facto disqualifier for their Obama vote. OTOH, I don't hear of too many Jews agreeing with Iran that Israel should disappear.

So.. My ASTOUNDED is better...

ETA: I found the 2009 data showing 40%, but I still think the numbers are higher now.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/117154/catho ... cells.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RC Bishops have been giving Obama heck ever since he rammed paying for abortion down the church's throat.

smoothoperator wrote:

RoyGBiv wrote:I remain ASTOUNDED that any Jew could vote for Obama. One of the most puzzling phenomenons I've experienced in my adult life. I'm considering a trip to Florida (since NC seems to be firming up) to campaign during the last two weeks. I haven't seen mom in a few months, I think her retirement-community neighbors (a very Jewish crowd) need a Texas-style wake up visit.

I'm more astounded that Roman Catholics vote for Obama and other pro-abortion candidates.

They may call themselves Catholic, but those that profess to support abortion are in fact excommunicating themselves from the Church. Those holding elected or public office and claim to be Catholic - Biden, Pelosi, Sebelius - are placing themselves in perilous positions.

Humans are no different no matter where you go. I do not trust the polls whether or not they are regarding the election or support of some horrible policy.

Whether they be Jew, Protestant, Catholic, devout folks still are there, keeping their faith, and voting their belief. Too bad that the media focuses on those who openly espouse their disdain for correct teaching - the Truth.

ANygunanywhere