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Re: Stand Your Ground in Danger
Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:12 am
by sjfcontrol
baldeagle wrote:speedsix wrote:...Zimmerman was in no way conceivable "standing his ground"...he was playing police...and pursued the boy even after being told not to...he does not represent most responsible CHLers and we have no moral or ethical responsibility to support him...
...as to the fight to preserve "Stand your ground"-type laws...certainly...
This misrepresents the facts. First of all, Stand Your Ground never entered in to the Zimmerman trial and was not part of the defense strategy. The judge chose to include the verbiage in the jury instructions, but that's the only time the law even entered the case. Secondly, Zimmerman wasn't playing police, he was playing observer, which is what he was supposed to be doing. Thirdly, there was zero evidence, ZERO, entered during the trial that he pursued Trayvon. The media keeps repeating that lie, and that's exactly what it is, a lie. Finally, if Zimmerman's case isn't a perfect example of self defense, I don't know what is. How many blows to the head do you think someone should have to absorb, EVEN IF THEY STARTED THE FIGHT, before they have a right to defend themselves against great bodily harm or death?
If we can't stand up for Zimmerman, then why carry a weapon?
You might as well leave speedsix alone -- he hasn't been around in over a year.
Re: Stand Your Ground in Danger
Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:35 pm
by 03Lightningrocks
sjfcontrol wrote:baldeagle wrote:speedsix wrote:...Zimmerman was in no way conceivable "standing his ground"...he was playing police...and pursued the boy even after being told not to...he does not represent most responsible CHLers and we have no moral or ethical responsibility to support him...
...as to the fight to preserve "Stand your ground"-type laws...certainly...
This misrepresents the facts. First of all, Stand Your Ground never entered in to the Zimmerman trial and was not part of the defense strategy. The judge chose to include the verbiage in the jury instructions, but that's the only time the law even entered the case. Secondly, Zimmerman wasn't playing police, he was playing observer, which is what he was supposed to be doing. Thirdly, there was zero evidence, ZERO, entered during the trial that he pursued Trayvon. The media keeps repeating that lie, and that's exactly what it is, a lie. Finally, if Zimmerman's case isn't a perfect example of self defense, I don't know what is. How many blows to the head do you think someone should have to absorb, EVEN IF THEY STARTED THE FIGHT, before they have a right to defend themselves against great bodily harm or death?
If we can't stand up for Zimmerman, then why carry a weapon?
You might as well leave speedsix alone -- he hasn't been around in over a year.
Re: Stand Your Ground in Danger
Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:41 pm
by 03Lightningrocks
If I can avoid trouble, I certainly will. Having to retreat from the sanctity of ones own home is not natural. Then there is the risk that when you run out the back door screaming in fear, the BG has an accomplice waiting to ambush you.
In public, I have no problem allowing a "tough guy" type to feel as if he backed me down but once that same person gives me the impression he is going to attack, I will have to make a move fast to keep from losing.
I am bothered beyond what words can describe by the AG of the United States of America feeling as if he has the duty to circumvent individual States rights to make their own laws. The guy is dangerous and we need to take his threat as serious.
Re: Stand Your Ground in Danger
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:00 pm
by MeMelYup
It also applies to School Busses
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Re: Stand Your Ground in Danger
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:37 pm
by baldeagle
And my question would be, what is wrong with a student who is attacked on a bus defending themselves? Why wasn't the girl charged with battery? She attacked him. All he did was defend himself.
Re: Stand Your Ground in Danger
Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:54 pm
by Dadtodabone
baldeagle wrote:
And my question would be, what is wrong with a student who is attacked on a bus defending themselves? Why wasn't the girl charged with battery? She attacked him. All he did was defend himself.
It's the mealy-mouthed gang, "No one wins a fight" "Everyone involved is at fault" "Can't we all just get along" "Kumbaya".
I had a nephew attacked by 3 thugs at a HS football game. He suffered a broken nose and 3 cracked ribs. He got up from being knocked down, broke away from his attackers, picked up a galvanized steel trash receptacle(didn't know they still made these)and proceeded to bash the stuffing out of them with it. The fact that he actually drove them back into a corner where their chance to escape was negated, led to his being arrested for aggravated assault.
The thugs defense was that they didn't want to hurt him, they just wanted to steal his iPad and he went crazy. The thugs were suspended for 1 week, my nephew was expelled. Ultimately he wasn't prosecuted, and now attends a Catholic HS, where should have been all the time.
Re: Stand Your Ground in Danger
Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:04 am
by VMI77
Dadtodabone wrote:baldeagle wrote:
And my question would be, what is wrong with a student who is attacked on a bus defending themselves? Why wasn't the girl charged with battery? She attacked him. All he did was defend himself.
It's the mealy-mouthed gang, "No one wins a fight" "Everyone involved is at fault" "Can't we all just get along" "Kumbaya".
I had a nephew attacked by 3 thugs at a HS football game. He suffered a broken nose and 3 cracked ribs. He got up from being knocked down, broke away from his attackers, picked up a galvanized steel trash receptacle(didn't know they still made these)and proceeded to bash the stuffing out of them with it. The fact that he actually drove them back into a corner where their chance to escape was negated, led to his being arrested for aggravated assault.
The thugs defense was that they didn't want to hurt him, they just wanted to steal his iPad and he went crazy. The thugs were suspended for 1 week, my nephew was expelled. Ultimately he wasn't prosecuted, and now attends a Catholic HS, where should have been all the time.
Of course, your nephew was in the wrong.....we're supposed to happily turn over our property to thugs and let them enjoy the thrill of giving us a beat down. Had a coworker whose son fought back when he was attacked by some bullies at school. The school principal actually told this guy that his son should have curled himself up in a ball on the ground and taken his beating like a good little victim. The guy, being ex-Army, saw it differently. Back when my brother was in school, even in California, things played out the other way around. My brother beat up the school bully who attacked him, and the principal drove him home in order to praise our parents for raising a fine son, and tell them what a favor he'd done the school. The difference in attitudes from then to now is one of the reasons the country is becoming a moral sewer.