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03Lightningrocks wrote:

Aggie_engr wrote:......If they are of the cowardly type that drops to ground like a girl screaming don't shoot me,......

....I don't know why, but the visual makes me laugh.

Remember that trick from Diehard (movie)? The head baddie dropped and started crying when Bruce Willis confronted him. It worked for awhile till Bruce figured it out.

Also, a lot of posters mention they dont have the training to handcuff someone. So what? toss the cuffs to the BG and make him cuff his hand to his ankle or something. Cuff his own wrist to a burglar bar, bedpost, whatever. You can see from a safe distance whether it is done or not. Even if they are loose it will still slow him down considerably. Better solution than hoping he complies and doesnt change his mind 5 minutes later.

rm9792 wrote:Also, a lot of posters mention they dont have the training to handcuff someone. So what? toss the cuffs to the BG and make him cuff his hand to his ankle or something.

And if he refuses?

rm9792 wrote:Remember that trick from Diehard (movie)?

Kill a couple of them, take one's SMG, and drop the other on a cop's hood to let him know there's a problem?

KD5NRH wrote:Kill a couple of them, take one's SMG, and drop the other on a cop's hood to let him know there's a problem?

Yippee ki-yay!

KD5NRH wrote:

rm9792 wrote:Remember that trick from Diehard (movie)?

Kill a couple of them, take one's SMG, and drop the other on a cop's hood to let him know there's a problem?

Only if the cop-car is driven by Stevie Wonder!

Have him cuff his HAND to his ANKLE..... hmmm: I like it, I like it a LOT!

Hoosier Daddy wrote:

rm9792 wrote:Also, a lot of posters mention they dont have the training to handcuff someone. So what? toss the cuffs to the BG and make him cuff his hand to his ankle or something.

And if he refuses?

You are no worse off than no cuffs at all. If he refuses to do it then he wont let you either. You got nothing to lose by trying.

I have probably said this before, maybe even on this thread, but I can't picture myself saying "halt or I'll shoot". I may get killed one day because I don't pull a gun on someone prematurely but as god is my witness, I would never pull a weapon of mass destruction out and not at the same time pull the trigger. I guess I am saying that in my mind, if it is gun pulling time, it is a situation that my switch has already tripped into "kill or be killed". Someone who has broken into my home does not deserve the courtesy of an honorable confrontation. Out on the street, I am no cop so if I witness a crime that does not involve a BG doing physical violence on a good guy, I plan to stay holstered and be one very good(and alive) witness. It is a CHL... not a "Batman License".

PS... I would love for someone to steal my truck...LOL. If I woke up and caught a person breaking into my truck, I would stay in the house and call the cops. I can get more from the insurance company than I can sell it for. That same insurance company will pay to replace anything a theif steals and repair the damage he/she does. If the insurance company would like to send out an armed gaurd to "hold a bad guy" I will take them a cup of coffee when it is cold outside.

Anybody want to buy an F250 diesel that does about 10-12 MPG in the city...Nah... didn't think so.


HOLD A BAD GUY??? You folks kidding me??? If the situation calls for "draw", it calls for "shoot". But then again, I have never considered drawing on Mormans handing out CD's or guys wearing ski masks in the winter.

Man, I wish my Dodge got 10-12 in the city....Lucky to get 9. (gas engine)

rm9792 wrote:Man, I wish my Dodge got 10-12 in the city....Lucky to get 9. (gas engine)

Yeah...the new F250 diesels are even worse than mine. i have the last year made before the "gubbermint" required some kind of pollution control mess that dropped mileage to 6-8 city. My brother had a F150 that was getting 18-20 city about a year ago. that isn't bad for a full size truck. Now he has a car getting 30-35 so he is happier doing his daily one hour drive to work.

03Lightningrocks wrote:I have probably said this before, maybe even on this thread, but I can't picture myself saying "halt or I'll shoot". I may get killed one day because I don't pull a gun on someone prematurely but as god is my witness, I would never pull a weapon of mass destruction out and not at the same time pull the trigger. I guess I am saying that in my mind, if it is gun pulling time, it is a situation that my switch has already tripped into "kill or be killed". Someone who has broken into my home does not deserve the courtesy of an honorable confrontation. Out on the street, I am no cop so if I witness a crime that does not involve a BG doing physical violence on a good guy, I plan to stay holstered and be one very good(and alive) witness. It is a CHL... not a "Batman License".

PS... I would love for someone to steal my truck...LOL. If I woke up and caught a person breaking into my truck, I would stay in the house and call the cops. I can get more from the insurance company than I can sell it for. That same insurance company will pay to replace anything a theif steals and repair the damage he/she does. If the insurance company would like to send out an armed gaurd to "hold a bad guy" I will take them a cup of coffee when it is cold outside.

Anybody want to buy an F250 diesel that does about 10-12 MPG in the city...Nah... didn't think so.


HOLD A BAD GUY??? You folks kidding me??? If the situation calls for "draw", it calls for "shoot". But then again, I have never considered drawing on Mormans handing out CD's or guys wearing ski masks in the winter.

It is a an option for some.

Example, an burglar was caught in the act in your house.
1) You confront the burglar with your pistol drawn
2) The burgular could be armed or not, not sure and it does not matter.

Your options:
A) Immediately Shoot to terminate the threat.
B) Order him to hit the ground face down (arrest him) and some how call 911 for backup
B1) Burglar may comply
B2) Burglar may flee the scene
B3) Burglar may attack you.

if B1) wait for 911, bad guy arrested.
if B2) wait for 911 bad guy is on the run
if B3) Burglar is dead.

Under A) or B3) the home owner is justified.

I don't think I would be comfortable holding a BG until police could arrive. Once I identify them as a threat, I'm drawing and then they have two choices: they can haul booty out of my house, or I can shoot them. It's one or the other. I'm too small to do much to another woman, much less a man, and even less to a determined attacker. If I feel threatened, I'm not taking chances.
Of course, if they get through two locked doors and my barred bedroom door, I'm probably not going to stop to assess a threat or give them time to choose to flee. If they're determined enough to do that, I'm not hanging around to see just HOW determined they are to do anything else.

Also, 03lightningrocks has the right idea - my vehicles are worth more to the insurance company than a potential buyer, so if someone wants to mess around with them...I'm just going to settle down with my robe and a cup of tea and wait for the police to get here. If I'm lucky, they'll arrive before the vandals/burglars leave and I get some entertainment, too!

randomoutburst wrote: If I'm lucky, they'll arrive before the vandals/burglars leave and I get some entertainment, too!

kP380 wrote:

Syntax360 wrote: Nevermind that my friend did everything wrong that night - Arlington police didn't give him any flak for it.

Just curious how "everything" they did was wrong...were you referring to the part about bringing the BG back to his apt?

He probably should have stayed inside and called the police, instead of storming out the door to go investigate an unknown number of people who may or may not be armed. If he was going to go outside, he probably should have been armed. He probably should not have chased some kid in the middle of the night off to god-knows-where, not knowing whether or not that kid had more friends waiting for him up the street. He probably should not have dragged the kid back home and opened himself up to any number of additional physical and legal hazards, and he probably should not have held the kid at gunpoint once there (potential legal hazards he may or may not have opened himself up to - one way or the other, he had no idea what kind of can-o-worms he might be opening).

But it's good to know that in some parts of this country, common sense still wins the day and the police look out for the good guy's best interests.

I would also point out that once the kids ceased trying to burglarize the vehicle and ran away, and if they had no stolen property, the justification for the use of force evaporated.

The little punks, if they were minors, probably got a lecture and probation.

As for the general question of holding a bad guy until the police arrest him: now he's got a grudge against you personally, he knows where you live, and he is going to bond out.

- Jim