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Re: Campus-Carry Bills are dying!!!

Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 1:20 pm
by Charles L. Cotton
Purplehood wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:Remind him that the Texas Republican Platform contains a plank to support campus-carry!
Charles, most of the time I can follow what you are saying, but this time I am stumped. Why do we want to remind an F- rated democrat that a particular bill is part of the opposition platform?
That comment was directed at calls to Senator/Chairman Duncan. You're right, it won't do any good to say that to Rep. Coleman.

Chas.

Re: Campus-Carry Bills are dying!!!

Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 1:20 pm
by roberts
Maybe they won't be in such a hurry to burn bridges in 2011.

Re: Campus-Carry Bills are dying!!!

Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 1:25 pm
by Douva
According to the 2007-2008 Texas Legislative Handbook, these are the email addresses for two of Representative Garnet Coleman's staffers:

Phillip Martin - phillip.martin@house.state.tx.us
Edwin Lowe - edwin.lowe@house.state.tx.us

Also, I've added the legislators' fax numbers to the list of phone numbers:

House Calendars Committee

Chair: Rep. Brian McCall (512) 463-0594 Voice, (512) 474-7512 Fax
Vice Chair: Rep. Eddie Lucio III (512) 463-0606 Voice, (512) 463-0660 Fax

Members:
Rep. Norma Chavez (512) 463-0622 Voice, (512) 478-6755 Fax
Rep. Garnet Coleman (512) 463-0524 Voice, (512) 463-1260 Fax
Rep. Byron Cook (512) 463-0730 Voice, (512) 463-2506 Fax
Rep. Brandon Creighton (512) 463-0726 Voice, (512) 463-8428 Fax
Rep. Charlie Geren (512) 463-0610 Voice, (512) 463-8310 Fax
Rep. Jim Keffer (512) 463-0656 Voice, (512) 478-8805 Fax
Rep. Lois W. Kolkhorst (512) 463-0600 Voice, (512) 463-5240 Fax
Rep. Edmund Kuempel (512) 463-0602 Voice, (512) 480-0391 Fax
Rep. Jim McReynolds (512) 463-0490 Voice, (512) 463-9059 Fax
Rep. Allan Ritter (512) 463-0706 Voice, (512) 463-1861 Fax
Rep. Burt R. Solomons (512) 463-0478 Voice, (512) 463-2089 Fax

Senate State Affairs Committee

Chair: Sen. Robert Duncan (512) 463-0128 Voice, (512) 463-2424 Fax
Vice Chair: Sen. Bob Deuell (512) 463-0102 Voice, (512) 463-7202 Fax (Just tell Sen Deuell THANKS for his strong support!)

Members:
Sen. John Carona (512) 463-0116 Voice, (512) 463-3135 Fax
Sen. Rodney Ellis (512) 463-0113 Voice, (512) 463-0006 Fax
Sen. Troy Fraser (512) 463-0124 Voice, (512) 475-3732 Fax
Sen. Chris Harris (512) 463-0109 Voice, (512) 463-7003 Fax
Sen. Mike Jackson (512) 463-0111 Voice, (512) 475-3727 Fax
Sen. Eddie Lucio, Jr. (512) 463-0127 Voice, (512) 463-0061 Fax
Sen. Leticia Van de Putte (512) 463-0126 Voice, (512) 463-2114 Fax

Re: Campus-Carry Bills are dying!!!

Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 1:27 pm
by Charles L. Cotton
sss wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:Rep. Garnet Coleman (512) 463-0524

Senator/Chairman Duncan (512) 463-0128
I called both and let them know that I'm a student and voter in the Houston area who supports the respective bills. Charles: Any idea how we're doing so far? Does campus carry still have a chance, or are we out of luck?
It's not dead yet, but the pulse is weak. If we don't burn up the phones to Calendars Committee members and Chairman Duncan, both bills will most certainly die. Another dirty trick to watch for is voting from Calendars or the Senate State Affairs Committee so late that there is no chance the bill will get debated and voted before the deadline. That's what the Calendars Committee did to us last session on the Senate parking lot bill.

Chas.

Re: Campus-Carry Bills are dying!!!

Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 1:49 pm
by Douva
Charles, can you explain the process of "tagging" a bill. The only reference I found to tagging in the "Rules and Precedents of the Texas House" is on page 49, where it says, "motions to tag a bill, table a bill, postpone consideration of it indefinitely, and to postpone consideration of it beyond the time allowed are all out of order and should be ruled out by the chairman."

Re: Campus-Carry Bills are dying!!!

Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 2:22 pm
by Rex B
I called the 4 committee heads, will work through the others as time allows.

Re: Campus-Carry Bills are dying!!!

Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 2:23 pm
by tfrazier
Douva wrote:Charles, can you explain the process of "tagging" a bill. The only reference I found to tagging in the "Rules and Precedents of the Texas House" is on page 49, where it says, "motions to tag a bill, table a bill, postpone consideration of it indefinitely, and to postpone consideration of it beyond the time allowed are all out of order and should be ruled out by the chairman."
I know you were asking Charles, but as I was wanting the definition myself and being the impatient person I am, I found a description as follows:
The Pigeonhole
Another important function of committees is to bury some bills. The term pigeonhole refers to the practice of a bill not being considered by a committee. A related procedure in the Texas Senate is “tagging,” which allows any senator to require a forty-eight-hour advance notice before a committee holds hearings on a bill.[/b] With a short legislative session, this allows a single senator to kill a bill late in the session. - found at http://www.accd.edu/sac/gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; emphasis added by tfrazier

Re: Campus-Carry Bills are dying!!!

Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 2:33 pm
by TexasComputerDude
I just called Rep. McReynolds again, and his office actually transfered me to a guy who handles gun issues. I thanked them for their support and said that I go to Stephen F Austin and have friends that go to Angelina College who support this bill.

Re: Campus-Carry Bills are dying!!!

Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 2:45 pm
by Douva
tfrazier wrote:
Douva wrote:Charles, can you explain the process of "tagging" a bill. The only reference I found to tagging in the "Rules and Precedents of the Texas House" is on page 49, where it says, "motions to tag a bill, table a bill, postpone consideration of it indefinitely, and to postpone consideration of it beyond the time allowed are all out of order and should be ruled out by the chairman."
I know you were asking Charles, but as I was wanting the definition myself and being the impatient person I am, I found a description as follows:
The Pigeonhole
Another important function of committees is to bury some bills. The term pigeonhole refers to the practice of a bill not being considered by a committee. A related procedure in the Texas Senate is “tagging,” which allows any senator to require a forty-eight-hour advance notice before a committee holds hearings on a bill.[/b] With a short legislative session, this allows a single senator to kill a bill late in the session. - found at http://www.accd.edu/sac/gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; emphasis added by tfrazier


But based on the quote I found, shouldn't tagging a bill in order to prevent it from being heard in time be ruled "out of order?"

Re: Campus-Carry Bills are dying!!!

Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 2:55 pm
by tfrazier
It certainly appears that way to me...but it says "should", not "shall", therefore it has no ruling compulsion for the chair to heed it. (IMO)

Re: Campus-Carry Bills are dying!!!

Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 3:13 pm
by dac1842
Tagging,(definition)- Not enough people who support this bill has put enough money in my pockets to buy my vote.

Re: Campus-Carry Bills are dying!!!

Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 3:19 pm
by toddlinder
I am grateful for the information here - special thanks to Charles. Made calls to "eveyone" today. Generally polite responses, hopefully my "I'm a university professor" spiel helped.

Re: Campus-Carry Bills are dying!!!

Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 3:20 pm
by toddlinder
oops, posted twice, not sure how to delete

Re: Campus-Carry Bills are dying!!!

Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:17 pm
by papabear
I called & am starting to do this more.

Re: Campus-Carry Bills are dying!!!

Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 4:35 pm
by TexasComputerDude
Their is no debate on this outside of gun and anti-gun forums IMO, none of the people I've talked to in the real world know anything about campus carry.

If I hear "guns are scary" one more time I'll scream...