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Another argument I don't like is citing some Army training manual from a long time ago. I was in the Army and I can tell you they teach a lot of bad shooting habits as is right now. They taught even more back in the day.

For those who don't know, 5Shot has been trying to sell this concept on another forum (http://www.warriortalk.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) for quite some time and the discussions are very similar. The logic equally flawed. That's not saying the point/instinctive shooting doesn't have it's place. We use the concept all the time in most close range gunfighting classes.

No instructor I know believes it is necessary to get a sight picture to engage someone at arm's length. And as we get out from 3-10 yards, depending on how much of the target is exposed and how much time is availabel to make the shot, one might only need a gross sight picture that allows him/her to see just a front sight or the silhouette of the gun against the target. Of course, if you need a brain-stem shot at the same distance, only a fine/perfect sight picture and sight alignment will do. I don't think any competent shooter can argue they haven't made similar observations. But this whole business of recommending a weak grip and pointing out flawed manuals from the early twentieth century or regurgitating your own garbage to prove your point is just dumb.

Jim, you are a better man than me for continuing this debate. 5Shot came to this board acting as if he was some humble messenger who'd been shown the light by a great master. Instead, he's one the closest things I've seen to a Walter Mitty on the web in some time. The theories he puts forth have been discussed and tested more times than anyone cares to remember. Each time, his system has been weighed, measured and found lacking. Sure, it contains some truths but it is also not the final solution to all problems any more than sighted fire alone is a reasonable response when simply using the Braille method of sight alignment is a better, faster solution.

G.C.Montgomery wrote:No instructor I know believes it is necessary to get a sight picture to engage someone at arm's length.

Even the big weaver fans teach the speed rock for very close range.

I also forgot to mention that 100% of the world's master gunfighters, everyone from Hickock and Doc Holliday through Bill Jordan and on to Jim Cirillo used the inferior index-finger-on-the-trigger technique, too.

bdickens wrote:I also forgot to mention that 100% of the world's master gunfighters, everyone from Hickock and Doc Holliday through Bill Jordan and on to Jim Cirillo used the inferior index-finger-on-the-trigger technique, too.

I hate to think how much better McGivern would have been with this radical technique, not to mention Miculek, imagine sub half second accurate rapid fire.

Have been scratching my head since this thread started trying to remember where I've seen this technique used before. Finally found it while watching one of my favorite movies...The Punisher. This actor must have read the book.

Think of all the money you can save! Just use your finger instead of buying an EOTech.

Well, at least he got the title of this thread right.