Re: Uh Oh, looks like this could lead to a Smoking ban
Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:19 pm

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Honest question: how do you define a public place? Last I checked, most bars, restaurants etc. were private property. And I don't see how it's the government's business to tell the owner of said private property which lawful activities he may or may not permit, on his private property.jmra wrote:I have no problem with someone smoking on their private property. I do have a right not to have smoke blown in my face in a public place. And like someone else said it's the long term effects I'm worried about. Btw, the chain smoker wasn't stopped by our employer, he was stopped by the chain smoking. I hope you decide to stop before you suffer the same fate.
Does being around guns give you cancer? Just askingchartreuse wrote:Honest question: how do you define a public place? Last I checked, most bars, restaurants etc. were private property. And I don't see how it's the government's business to tell the owner of said private property which lawful activities he may or may not permit, on his private property.jmra wrote:I have no problem with someone smoking on their private property. I do have a right not to have smoke blown in my face in a public place. And like someone else said it's the long term effects I'm worried about. Btw, the chain smoker wasn't stopped by our employer, he was stopped by the chain smoking. I hope you decide to stop before you suffer the same fate.
Slightly challenging question (I'm not attacking you, but I've never seen a smoker blow smoke in somebodies face unless he was trying to start a fight): Do you notice any similarity between your phrase "a right not to have smoke blown in my face" and the typical Brady Bunch expression "a right not to feel threatened by somebody brandishing a weapon."?
I'll bet you a dollar that we could find an anti-gun campaigner to say that it does.marksiwel wrote:Does being around guns give you cancer? Just asking
Did anyone force me to eat a Cheese Burger? But if I ate a Cheese Burger and you somehow got fat because of it, I could see you point. But when you smoke in a resturant and I'm 5 tables away and I'm getting hurt, too bad, so sad, no smoking.seniorshooteress wrote:There are a lot of other things that cause cancer not just smoking. My step dad never smoked a day in his life, yet he now at the age of 87 has lung cancer. The kind from being exposed to asbestos Mesothelioma. Like some one else also said here, fast food/fatty foods caused clogged arteries/heart attack/stroke. Lets just ban everything that isn't healthy and call it taking care of ourselves and others. Also lets get some law enforcement out there to check and make sure that everyone does 90 min. of cordio every day. And that carpet that has all that nasty left over cigarette stuff in it, what about all the chemicals already in it from the factory and that stuff that is used to stop spots. I think it is a bunch of hog wash that cigarette residue clings to all things out doors and is going to give cancer to who ever walks by a building. What else is outside? Pollen, mold, smog, etc. A smoker pays more taxes than the non-smoker so if everyone stopped smoking, where is government going to get that lost revenue from? This is my opinion on the smoking ban. Just couldn't resist putting in my 2cents worth.
Now that's a good point. When I lived in England, we got the figures on this - turned out the government raised £9bn a year from tobacco taxes and the cost of socialized medicine for smoking related illnesses was £2.5bn a year. So the govt was £6.5bn in profit. That's before you factor in the pension stuff, with smokers dying younger so claiming less, etc.seniorshooteress wrote:A smoker pays more taxes than the non-smoker so if everyone stopped smoking, where is government going to get that lost revenue from?
Ah, well now we get into the free market argument. Nobody forced you to go to a smoking restaurant either. If enough folks feel like you do, somebody will open a smoke free restaurant, and he'll make a lot of money. Then other folks will copy him, before you know it, you'll have loads of smoke free restaurants, without the government getting involved.marksiwel wrote:Did anyone force me to eat a Cheese Burger? But if I ate a Cheese Burger and you somehow got fat because of it, I could see you point. But when you smoke in a resturant and I'm 5 tables away and I'm getting hurt, too bad, so sad, no smoking.
So what kind of Hazard pay do you get as a Waitress or bus boy?chartreuse wrote:Ah, well now we get into the free market argument. Nobody forced you to go to a smoking restaurant either. If enough folks feel like you do, somebody will open a smoke free restaurant, and he'll make a lot of money. Then other folks will copy him, before you know it, you'll have loads of smoke free restaurants, without the government getting involved.marksiwel wrote:Did anyone force me to eat a Cheese Burger? But if I ate a Cheese Burger and you somehow got fat because of it, I could see you point. But when you smoke in a resturant and I'm 5 tables away and I'm getting hurt, too bad, so sad, no smoking.
They actually do this in Spain. Each place has to have a sign on the door saying if it's smoking permitted or smoking banned. That way, folks know what to expect before they walk through the door.
Last I checked, none, on account of nobody put a gun to your head and forced you to take the job.marksiwel wrote:So what kind of Hazard pay do you get as a Waitress or bus boy?
Who forced you to go to that restaurant? How about no telling other people what they can do with their property? Don't like the way they're using it, go elsewhere. Can't find an elsewhere you like, start your own business and run it the way you want.marksiwel wrote:But when you smoke in a resturant and I'm 5 tables away and I'm getting hurt, too bad, so sad, no smoking.
Heh, if you're mad about the goverment telling people what they can and cant do with their property when it comes to something reasonable like smoking, you are in for a shock if you ever have to deal with zoning lawsKD5NRH wrote:Who forced you to go to that restaurant? How about no telling other people what they can do with their property? Don't like the way they're using it, go elsewhere. Can't find an elsewhere you like, start your own business and run it the way you want.marksiwel wrote:But when you smoke in a resturant and I'm 5 tables away and I'm getting hurt, too bad, so sad, no smoking.
Err... perhaps I'm being particularly dumb this evening, but I fail to see the humour in that...marksiwel wrote:Heh, if you're mad about the goverment telling people what they can and cant do with their property when it comes to something reasonable like smoking, you are in for a shock if you ever have to deal with zoning lawsKD5NRH wrote:Who forced you to go to that restaurant? How about no telling other people what they can do with their property? Don't like the way they're using it, go elsewhere. Can't find an elsewhere you like, start your own business and run it the way you want.marksiwel wrote:But when you smoke in a resturant and I'm 5 tables away and I'm getting hurt, too bad, so sad, no smoking.
ACORN? What? I'm not following you.chartreuse wrote:Err... perhaps I'm being particularly dumb this evening, but I fail to see the humour in that...marksiwel wrote:Heh, if you're mad about the goverment telling people what they can and cant do with their property when it comes to something reasonable like smoking, you are in for a shock if you ever have to deal with zoning lawsKD5NRH wrote:Who forced you to go to that restaurant? How about no telling other people what they can do with their property? Don't like the way they're using it, go elsewhere. Can't find an elsewhere you like, start your own business and run it the way you want.marksiwel wrote:But when you smoke in a resturant and I'm 5 tables away and I'm getting hurt, too bad, so sad, no smoking.
One of the things that I find most repugnant about the ACORN folks and the like is they way that they'll decry injustice in one sphere, then turn around and perpetrate the exact same injustices in another. I'd hoped we all on here were better than that.
I'm sorry that other folks smoking makes you feel poorly and I promise you that, should the government ever mandate compulsory smoking in all establishments, I will be one of the first to take part in the civil disobedience campaign of keeping my smokes unlit when you're around and politely requesting that others do likewise.marksiwel wrote:ACORN? What? I'm not following you.
Look I dont like smoking, I wish people would just stop on their own. I realize legislating away Behavior isnt the "American Way" but I just really hate Smoking, gives me headaches, kills my nose, ect. Also I've seen too many people get hurt from it.
If you want to smoke, go ahead, but as for restaurants I like how they have it in Austin. Basically you can smoke, but, there has to be a totally separate AC unit in the building (Well atleast thats how they do it in Trudys)
I grew up in Dallas where people still smoke indoors, moved to Boston for a few years, where you can barley smoke, and then moved to Austin, where its the same. Whenever I go to Dallas its like a SMACK in the face.
Pass laws against smoking? Maybe. Hope people will smarten up and stop smoking all together? Maybe