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Re: Why is OC not allowed in Texas?
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:44 pm
by CaptWoodrow10
seamusTX wrote:Please read this article and all the footnotes:
http://www.guncite.com/journals/haltex.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
When you have done that, please name the five people who can veto a bill in the Texas Legislature without signing their name to a document.
- Jim
I have to ask. Who are the five people who can veto?
Re: Why is OC not allowed in Texas?
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:06 pm
by seamusTX
The chairmen of the Texas House and Senate committees where the bill is first sent, the Speaker of the House, the Lieutenant Governor, and the chairman of the Committee on Calendars. Any of these people can bury a bill just by giving it low priority until the legislative session ends in the usual crunch.
Maybe there are others with this power. I don't know how the internal functions of the house and senate work.
This is why 90% of the bills introduced in each session die. Conversely, all of these people and the Governor have to be on board to get a bill passed.
- Jim
Re: Why is OC not allowed in Texas?
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:27 pm
by 74novaman
seamusTX wrote:The chairmen of the Texas House and Senate committees where the bill is first sent, the Speaker of the House, the Lieutenant Governor, and the chairman of the Committee on Calendars. Any of these people can bury a bill just by giving it low priority until the legislative session ends in the usual crunch.
Maybe there are others with this power. I don't know how the internal functions of the house and senate work.
This is why 90% of the bills introduced in each session die. Conversely, all of these people and the Governor have to be on board to get a bill passed.
- Jim
Some may complain about that, but I love a part time legislature that can't get a lot done, even if it sometimes means it takes some extra time to get what we want done..
Wish the US congress only met occasionally!
Re: Why is OC not allowed in Texas?
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:09 pm
by CaptWoodrow10
74novaman wrote:
Some may complain about that, but I love a part time legislature that can't get a lot done, even if it sometimes means it takes some extra time to get what we want done..
Wish the US congress only met occasionally!
I second that motion. Too bad it would take a constitutional amendment to get it done, and it would take a miracle to get that one passed... "Give up power? Are you crazy?!"
Re: Why is OC not allowed in Texas?
Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:51 am
by chabouk
Dragonfighter wrote:I have a rather pragmatic outlook. Requiring a CHL to carry concealed and denying OC (with a fe exceptions) is an infringement of our 2A rights. That said we are miles ahead of "may issue" states and many "shall issue" states.
There are technically 10 "may issue" states at the moment, but Alabama is "shall issue" for all practical purposes, and Iowa is changing soon. I don't think any of the 41 other "shall issue" states have requirements and fees as high as Texas.
There are some places you can't carry by law and I disagree with those, but they are fewer than a lot of states and it seems they are being reduced every session. We are definitely heading in the correct direction. The number of places that have valid 30.06 signs is limited to the point that it rarely impedes my lifestyle and I can walk into city hall, police station, tax office or state capitol armed and legal.
I would like to see no restrictions on where we can carry, liability expressly defined for private property that restricts access to CCW and as someone has suggested one legal sign for all applications. But this is a battle of inches and if we keep up the gains, I foresee constitutional carry before too long.
I agree. Doesn't stop me from being impatient, though.
Re: Why is OC not allowed in Texas?
Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:54 am
by chabouk
CaptWoodrow10 wrote:74novaman wrote:
Some may complain about that, but I love a part time legislature that can't get a lot done, even if it sometimes means it takes some extra time to get what we want done..
Wish the US congress only met occasionally!
I second that motion. Too bad it would take a constitutional amendment to get it done, and it would take a miracle to get that one passed... "Give up power? Are you crazy?!"
Let's transpose the numbers: the U.S. Congress shall meet for two days every 120 years.
