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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:29 pm
by KBCraig
KBCraig wrote:
txinvestigator wrote:However, CI's lie. Period.
Very true. Which makes it a very bad idea to seek a warrant based on CI statements.
Just following up on this with an item in the East Texas news:

http://www.ktbs.com/news/local/4823341.html

East Texas authorities say informant fooled them

All charges are being dismissed in a high-profile drug roundup in East Texas after it turned out the key informant in the case made up a bunch of information, authorities said Monday.

Harrison County District Attorney Joe Black has dropped charges against 33 people arrested this past October in Operation Trick or Treat.

"Information came forward to our office that the informant utilized in this undercover operation had possibly misled and lied to officers during the investigation," Black said. "Secondly, my office nor any local law enforcement agencies want to participate in the prosecution of any individual based upon evidence which may have been illegally or fraudulently obtained."

About 20 percent of the cases were compromised, Black said, but a shadow was cast over the entire operation.

Authorities believe the informant they used to buy drugs had fabricated much of the evidence. Black did not disclose specifics of informant's actions that led him to throw out the case.

The man's name has not been released. A warrant has been issued for his arrest, charging him with making a false report to a peace officer.

Black said the county and city narcotics agents involved in the case did not know they were being used.

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:21 pm
by casselthief
they should post his pic, and his name! :lol:
there's yer street justice fer ya.

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:03 pm
by KBCraig
There have been some developments in the case.

Radley Balko reports that the case started with self-serving tip from a dealer who had just been arrested for the third time in four months (all felony drug charges).

The timeline casts a lot of doubt on the APD claims.

Be sure to read the article he links to.

Kevin

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:14 pm
by Roger Howard
It was Fabian Sheats' third felony drug arrest in four months.


So why is this guy on the streets? :mad5

I am constantly hearing stories (NRA News) of 10, 12 13th time felons committing crimes and getting stupidly short sentences. What do they think? Oh he's a good guy who made a bad choice. He'll do better next time. Put these people away and watch the crime rate drop.

Ok, I'll get off my soap box.

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:54 am
by TX Rancher
I didn't realize law enforcement doesn't have to wait for the warrent to arive at the site. Once it's signed, they can bust the door down while the warrant is on the way.

So how does a citizen know the police are "legal"? They don't have to knock, and they don't have to show you the warrant at the time of entry. So someone yelling "police" is all it takes?

I'm not bashing cops, I'm just asking...

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:18 pm
by KBCraig
Here's the latest news on the Atlanta shooting. It seems like the wounds the officers suffered didn't come from Kathryn Johnston's revolver. You may recall that three officers on the raid team suffered gunshot wounds; those were apparently "friendly" fire. Note the paragraph in bold.


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... -headlines

2 officers plead guilty in death of 92-year-old
By Jenny Jarvie, Times Staff Writer
April 27, 2007

ATLANTA — Two police officers pleaded guilty Thursday to fatally shooting a 92-year-old woman during a botched drug raid on her home, but prosecutors warned that an investigation into corruption in the Atlanta Police Department continued.

Gregg Junnier, 40, and Jason R. Smith, 35, pleaded guilty to voluntary manslaughter, violation of oath by a public officer, criminal solicitation, making false statements and civil rights conspiracy.

In exchange for cooperating with the federal corruption probe, the prosecutors dropped state murder charges against Smith and Junnier, meaning they will avoid life in prison. Sentences have not been set, but Junnier, who retired from the force in January, is expected to get about 10 years in prison; Smith, who is on administrative leave, is expected to be sentenced to about 12 years.

On the night of Nov. 21, plainclothes Atlanta police officers burst through the front door of Kathryn Johnston's home after obtaining a no-knock warrant based on false information that drugs were sold there.

Johnston fired a single shot from a .38-caliber revolver, according to the Fulton County prosecutor. Ballistic evidence showed that she did not hit any of the six officers, but that they fired 39 shots, striking Johnston five or six times, including a fatal blow to her chest.

Assistant U.S. Atty. Yonette Sam-Buchanan said officers lied to a magistrate to get the no-knock warrant, claiming that a confidential informant had made a purchase at the address and that the house was fitted with electronic surveillance.

After the shooting, Smith allegedly planted three bags of marijuana in the basement of Johnston's home and then called an informant to ask him to pretend the three officers had sent him to the address earlier to purchase drugs.

The next day, Smith and Junnier allegedly met to fabricate a story before meeting the department's homicide detectives.

"I just want to express to court how regretful I am," Smith said quietly in Fulton County Superior Court after pleading guilty to the state's charges. "I'm sorry."

U.S. Atty. David Nahmias said Junnier and Smith would help federal and local officials continue "our very active ongoing investigation into just how wide the culture of misconduct" proliferated within the Atlanta Police Department.

A third officer in the shooting, Arthur Tesler, 40, was charged with violation of oath by a public officer, false statements and false imprisonment. He has vowed to fight the charges.

"This is a sad day for the department, but justice has been observed," Atlanta Police Chief Richard Pennington said Thursday after watching Smith and Junnier plead guilty to the federal charge of violating Johnston's civil rights.

"I can't explain why officers felt they had to make up a story," Pennington said. "We don't train our officers to lie."

Representatives of Johnston's family rejoiced as they filed out of the courthouse.

"The family always hoped some good would come out of this tragedy," said the Rev. Markel Hutchins, a local civil rights activist who has acted as a spokesman for Johnston's niece Sarah Dozier. "We hope this marks the beginning of weeding out corruption in the Atlanta Police Department."

At a joint news conference of federal and state officials, Hutchins said he "prayed with mercy" for Atlanta's police officers, who needed more support, compensation and training.

Yet others expressed concern that the plea agreement — which reduced a murder charge to voluntary manslaughter and dropped burglary and assault charges — was too lenient.

"We in this community are saying: What is the value of black life and what is the value of a grandmother?" said state Rep. "Able" Mable Thomas, a resident of Johnston's largely poor black neighborhood. "We think these officers have done a big crime and they need to serve a big time. We love mercy in this community, but we want justice."

The botched raid provoked criticism of the use of no-knock warrants in Atlanta.

After attending several stormy community meetings, Pennington asked the FBI to head a multi-agency investigation into the shooting. He has introduced some changes, such as mandating that supervisors sign off on narcotics operations and no-knock warrants, and requiring drug tests for officers.

Though prosecutors alleged that the officers falsified affidavits for search warrants to meet department performance targets, Pennington insisted the police force had no quotas.

Prosecutors said they had evidence that other Atlanta officers had made false statements to state magistrate judges to obtain search warrants.

Cases in which Smith and Junnier were involved could now be jeopardized.

Dist. Atty. Paul Howard said law enforcement officers were investigating hundreds of cases. At least 10, he said, involved people still behind bars.

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:38 pm
by Liberty
txinvestigator wrote:As you know I am a strong supporter of the police and am opposed to knee-jerk reactions to bias news reports.

That said, if the police make mistakes, they need to be reprimanded and corrected. If they engage in criminal conduct, they should be prosecuted.

However, CI's lie. Period.

I refuse to indict these officers based on the word of an informant. I'll trust the FBI to sort it out.
Just curious, What do you think of these guys now? If it smells like pork, it probably is pigmeat. It smelled like pork right from the begining.

No Knock Warrant

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:01 pm
by tomneal
No Knock Warrant

Seems unreasonable to me.


Ok, for drugs it seem unreasonable.
For an Active kidnapper or someone working on a weapon of mass distruction it does seem reasonable.

Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:34 pm
by Venus Pax
Whether these guys are corrupt or not, think of it from the perspective of a 92-year-old woman. She is fully aware of the threat of rape and murder when someone forcefully enters her home. She also knows that vests marked "Police" aren't difficult to obtain. She basically had to choose which way she would die.

Re: Bad shooting????

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:47 am
by Quick6
KBCraig wrote:
casselthief wrote:
bdsnooks wrote: As the plainclothes Atlanta police officers approached the house about 7 p.m., a woman inside started shooting, striking each of them, said Officer Joe Cobb, a police spokesman.
?
they hadn't even gotten in yet?
You forgot the next paragraph:
Assistant Chief Alan Dreher said the officers had a legal warrant and "knocked and announced" before they forced open the door. He said they were justified in returning fire when they were fired upon.
Here's what stood out to me: "As the plainclothes Atlanta police officers approached..."

Serving a forced-entry warrant in plain clothes? Sorry, but I'd be right there with Granny, firing on what were obviously home invaders.

Hit three of three. Rest well, Granny.
+1

Re: Bad shooting????

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:34 pm
by GlockenHammer
Quick6 wrote:
KBCraig wrote:
casselthief wrote:
bdsnooks wrote: As the plainclothes Atlanta police officers approached the house about 7 p.m., a woman inside started shooting, striking each of them, said Officer Joe Cobb, a police spokesman.
?
they hadn't even gotten in yet?
You forgot the next paragraph:
Assistant Chief Alan Dreher said the officers had a legal warrant and "knocked and announced" before they forced open the door. He said they were justified in returning fire when they were fired upon.
Here's what stood out to me: "As the plainclothes Atlanta police officers approached..."

Serving a forced-entry warrant in plain clothes? Sorry, but I'd be right there with Granny, firing on what were obviously home invaders.

Hit three of three. Rest well, Granny.
+1
You might want to read the entire thread before posting.

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:37 pm
by GlockenHammer
KBCraig wrote:Johnston fired a single shot from a .38-caliber revolver, according to the Fulton County prosecutor. Ballistic evidence showed that she did not hit any of the six officers, but that they fired 39 shots, striking Johnston five or six times, including a fatal blow to her chest.
I am a wee bit surprised to not see any further discussion of what appears to be a freindly fire incident on top of everything else.

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:03 am
by gigag04
GlockenHammer wrote:
KBCraig wrote:Johnston fired a single shot from a .38-caliber revolver, according to the Fulton County prosecutor. Ballistic evidence showed that she did not hit any of the six officers, but that they fired 39 shots, striking Johnston five or six times, including a fatal blow to her chest.
I am a wee bit surprised to not see any further discussion of what appears to be a freindly fire incident on top of everything else.
Yeah, I was wondeirng the same thing.

How did 3 lanes of fire converge on each other with these "vet" officers?

I'm bummed about how this reflects poorly on the LEO community. However, I do feel like throwing around terms like "pig" insults not only the few bad apples, but the larger community as a whole.

I'm thankful for the good LEOs that are out there. I know you guys face tough decisions every day and I hope you don't find yourself in ones like this.

Thanks.

-nick

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:50 am
by KBCraig
gigag04 wrote:
GlockenHammer wrote:
KBCraig wrote:Johnston fired a single shot from a .38-caliber revolver, according to the Fulton County prosecutor. Ballistic evidence showed that she did not hit any of the six officers, but that they fired 39 shots, striking Johnston five or six times, including a fatal blow to her chest.
I am a wee bit surprised to not see any further discussion of what appears to be a freindly fire incident on top of everything else.
Yeah, I was wondeirng the same thing.

How did 3 lanes of fire converge on each other with these "vet" officers?
That's why I highlighted the passage that way. It sounds like a case of "sympathetic shooting 'til slide lock".

Kevin

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:26 am
by Liberty
gigag04 wrote: I'm bummed about how this reflects poorly on the LEO community. However, I do feel like throwing around terms like "pig" insults not only the few bad apples, but the larger community as a whole.

I'm thankful for the good LEOs that are out there. I know you guys face tough decisions every day and I hope you don't find yourself in ones like this.

Thanks.

-nick
The news is full of stroies of run away law enforcement. When this story broke out, there was some law enforcements officers here that had a hard time acknowledging that the police could be at fault. and that they would reserve judgement until later.

What is disturbing is that these incidents aren't so isolated. The New York Times is now reporting that the officers have told federal investigators that their behavior was not out of the ordinary. That corruption, planting evidence, and giving false testimony are routine at APD.

I don't believe that refering felonious murderous cops as having porkish qualities as being particularly harsh or even breaking the 10 year old daughter rule. If a CHL breaks the law we will likely call them names too.
Law enforcement (not just the police officers) has displayed and been caught in criminal behavior several times in the past year. particularly in Texas. what I find even more disturbing is how reluctant we as a society are to go after these guys.
Check out Corey May or Duke Rape Case. or James Giles who was convicted in 1982 or raping a woman in Dallas County, Texas. Giles served 10 years in prison and a 14 as a registered sex offender.

He lost his marriage and contact with much of his family and couldn't travel 10 miles outside his home without first obtaining permission. He was cleared by DNA evidence, this week

In 2003, Texas Gov. Rick Perry pardoned 35 mostly black residents of Tulia, Texas, who had been prosecuted for drug crimes based on testimony from undercover police officer Tom Coleman. Coleman, once named Texas "Police Officer of the Year,"

Harris county has a prosecutor who proudly proclaims a disregard for the law and will prosecute people who are legally carrying.

In the mean time it is important to remember these Atlanta Police officers are felons and murderers. The hero of this story is the informer who refused to co-operate in the cover up. The cops were in a position of trust they deserved to be treated very harshly. They will get around 10 years, a very light term, under a plea agreement.

We will never clean up our streets while we have crooked cops. Until we have law enforcement that respects the law, we can't expect folks to respect the police officers.

Yup, I called two police officers who lied on a warrent application, lied to a judge, illegaly broke into an old lady living alone home. killed her. lied to their superiors and investigators "porkish". It was the only word I could think of that would get by the 10 year old daughter rule.