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Purplehood wrote:. . . Romney is a pure-and-simple RINO. I have no idea why people like him call themselves a Republican. . . .

I hope enough people realize this!

Chas.

Don't know if I'm the only one that's noticed it this week, but the paulbots seem to be out in force after the debate.

Isolationism isn't a foreign policy, it is a lack of one. And in this day and age, I hate to say it, he just doesn't look presidential enough to be elected by the same electorate that put Obama in because he looked good and can read well off a teleprompter. He's too old, and too much of a one note pony (the fed, the fed, the fed, banks, currency, the fed).

Perrys a politician like the rest of them, but we could certainly do worse for President.

Apophis wrote:

SewTexas wrote:I'm sorry Ron Paul is good for a laugh, but if he was in charge 200 years ago we'd still be speaking with a British accent and paying taxes to Kings. He's no President.

He's good for a laugh to most people, because we've lost our way as Americans. Your further comments show your ignorance on the subject and need no further points.

I realize that this guy is banned already, but his posts cause me to comment on something. I've had plenty of discussions with Ron Paul supporters over the years, and many of them are good at courteous discourse. I might not agree with them, at least not on some things, but at least they are possessed of the social graces, and more importantly, they use them. I have nothing but respect for such people.

Then there are the sort of Ron Paul supporters whom I call "Ronulans," who are reminiscent of nothing so much as the "Know Nothings" of the 19th century. They seem to come from far out in the fever swamp, and they contribute nothing of value either to political discourse, or the governance of the nation. They are bomb throwers. If you disagree with them, it's because you are ignorant and should shut up. With their exception, most of the "Shut Uppers" come from the hard left. Not the left of center, but the far, hard, marxist inspired left. They cannot articulate sound arguments for their positions, and when calm and logical debate calls them out on it, their reaction is to try and suppress free speech and/or shout down the opposition with "Shut up! But the yelling of "Shut up" is not something true conservatives or true libertarians want to be using as a response if someone actually gives us a run for our intellectual money and forces us to either become better debaters or to reassess our positions. WE believe in free speech. We believe in it enough to be willing to die to defend it. When the best answer you can come up with is to personally insult your opponent or try to shut him down, then you've lost the debate. That is what happened to Apophis. Folks like that seem at least borderline cultic.....and sometimes seem to descend into the overtly cultic. Read on....

The name "Apophis" has several potential sources, none of them positive (SOURCE):

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

• Apophis (Egyptian Apophis, Apophis) may refer to:
• Apep, an Ancient Egyptian mythological demon, in Greek known as Apophis
• Apepi (pharaoh), a Hyksos pharaoh of Lower Egypt
• 99942 Apophis, a near-Earth asteroid
• Apophis (Stargate), a Stargate SG-1 character based on the Egyptian demon

In Egyptian mythology, Apep/Apophis was the god of chaos and darkness. Great name for someone who would seek to participate in governance, which should be the exact opposite of chaos and darkness. I'm assuming that "our" Apophis knows nothing about Greek or Egyptian mythology, but is probably aware of the Stargate character. For a description of that character, CLICK HERE. Not a very nice guy. Why would someone want to take that name as their Internet handle if they weren't a little dysfunctional?

Maybe I'm out of line here, but that is my reaction to this kind of stuff.

The Annoyed Man wrote:Why would someone want to take that name as their Internet handle if they weren't a little dysfunctional?

Maybe I'm out of line here, but that is my reaction to this kind of stuff.

Judging by some the absolutely vile things that this person posted yesterday evening under a pseudonym, you are not out of line at all. He personifies perfectly what Sean Hannity calls a "Paulien."

The Annoyed Man wrote:The name "Apophis" has several potential sources, none of them positive (SOURCE):

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

• Apophis (Egyptian Apophis, Apophis) may refer to:
• Apep, an Ancient Egyptian mythological demon, in Greek known as Apophis
• Apepi (pharaoh), a Hyksos pharaoh of Lower Egypt
• 99942 Apophis, a near-Earth asteroid
• Apophis (Stargate), a Stargate SG-1 character based on the Egyptian demon

In Egyptian mythology, Apep/Apophis was the god of chaos and darkness. Great name for someone who would seek to participate in governance, which should be the exact opposite of chaos and darkness. I'm assuming that "our" Apophis knows nothing about Greek or Egyptian mythology, but is probably aware of the Stargate character. For a description of that character, CLICK HERE. Not a very nice guy.

Also shows you where our own psychological sets come into play. I knew nothing of the Greek version of Apep, and I’ve never watched Stargate SG-1. So I thought he had merely misspelled “apophasis,” the term in rhetoric that means alluding to something by saying it will not be mentioned. It’s an extremely popular tool in political debate, so I thought it fit...

I've met a lot of Ron Paul supporters over the last few years and our friend seems to embody exactly what they represent. Flamethrowers who contribute nothing of value to the conversation, it is like an argument with a three year old you cannot win and it is pointless to try. Many I have met are among the Alex Jones extreme right, many are 9/11 "truthers" who are convinced that the Bilderburgs are controlling everything from the media to gas prices to who wins election. They are lost as far as I see it and need direction one way or another, many are young and uninformed. Now thats not to say there aren't many more who are capable of rational thought and debate who are able to articulate their support for Rep. Paul in a intelligent manner. I am just stating my experiences with his supporters.

You're right TAM, and I fell right into his trap....I've been around the internet long enough to know better thing is, I even watched SG1, I ain't got any excuse

Oh, well, I'm gonna go sew and dream of a snowy mountain

Heartland Patriot wrote:Is it possible that Governor Perry didn't sign the bill due to the fact that he didn't want to anger big businesses which may be headquartered out of state, perhaps in places that are less pro-2A, and would like to keep those businesses on a friendly footing?

I hope those companies vote for him, because he lost my vote by pandering to antigunners.

Heartland Patriot wrote: Is it possible that Governor Perry didn't sign the bill due to the fact that he didn't want to anger big businesses which may be headquartered out of state, perhaps in places that are less pro-2A, and would like to keep those businesses on a friendly footing? If there is one thing that I would ascribe to the Governor, its being business-friendly and making sure that they want to come to our state to set up and expand, and fuel our economic engine...maybe it was for other reasons, but this one makes as much sense to me as any other...

How many bills does Gov. Perry actually sign after the legislative session? I recently read that over 1500 bills and resolutions were sent to the governor from the regular session. Does he actually sign the majority of those, or does he really only sign the few he wants to highlight in public "ceremonial" signings? This is just a guess, but maybe he hasn't signed the parking lot bill not because of any particular political motivation, but because he just doesn't sign the majority of bills that are sent to him?

Brian

Signed: http://www.legis.state.tx.us/Reports/Re ... ignedbygov" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Unsigned: http://www.legis.state.tx.us/Reports/Re ... dwogovsign" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Filed without signature 5 vs. Signed 277 I think that speaks for itself.

raptor wrote:

Heartland Patriot wrote:Is it possible that Governor Perry didn't sign the bill due to the fact that he didn't want to anger big businesses which may be headquartered out of state, perhaps in places that are less pro-2A, and would like to keep those businesses on a friendly footing?

I hope those companies vote for him, because he lost my vote by pandering to antigunners.

How did he do that? Tell us please.

loadedliberal wrote:Signed: http://www.legis.state.tx.us/Reports/Re ... ignedbygov" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Unsigned: http://www.legis.state.tx.us/Reports/Re ... dwogovsign" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Filed without signature 5 vs. Signed 277 I think that speaks for itself.

The numbers in those reports don't make any sense. If the 1500 number I read is accurate, what happened to the other 1218 bills. Additionally, if you look at this report:

Bills Passed by House and Senate: http://www.legis.state.tx.us/Reports/Re ... &ID=passed" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It shows a total of 5527 bills and resolutions that should be on the governors desk.

Brian

BrianSW99 wrote:

loadedliberal wrote:Signed: http://www.legis.state.tx.us/Reports/Re ... ignedbygov" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Unsigned: http://www.legis.state.tx.us/Reports/Re ... dwogovsign" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Filed without signature 5 vs. Signed 277 I think that speaks for itself.

The numbers in those reports don't make any sense. If the 1500 number I read is accurate, what happened to the other 1218 bills. Additionally, if you look at this report:

Bills Passed by House and Senate: http://www.legis.state.tx.us/Reports/Re ... &ID=passed" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It shows a total of 5527 bills and resolutions that should be on the governors desk.

Brian

Looking at the dates this only covers action taken in the last couple of weeks.

loadedliberal wrote:
Filed without signature 5 vs. Signed 277 I think that speaks for itself.

Those 5 are bills that are effective immediately. The governor has until June 19th to sign bills. The remainder of unsigned bills that are set to become effective Sept. 1st will probably show as filed sometime after that date.

Brian

raptor wrote:

Heartland Patriot wrote:Is it possible that Governor Perry didn't sign the bill due to the fact that he didn't want to anger big businesses which may be headquartered out of state, perhaps in places that are less pro-2A, and would like to keep those businesses on a friendly footing?

I hope those companies vote for him, because he lost my vote by pandering to antigunners.

Thats an awful hard line to take, when his signature is not required for the bill to become law. As long as he doesn't do anything foolish--like pull out his veto pen, I'm not going to sweat the small stuff.

Given the cast of characters we currently have to choose from for the 2012 election, Perry would be better than most--and a lot better than some. I travel to a lot of States in the Northeast and to California. I can tell you; whether it's 2A rights, economy, jobs or personal freedoms--we Texans have much to be thankful for. Perry's in his third term as Governer and he gets some credit, as our State executive, for how Texas has fared in these turbulent times.