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tallmike wrote:

stroo wrote:Tallmike: You do realize don't you that Hitler was as much a socialist, i.e. of the left, as Stalin was. The name of Hitler's party was the National SOCIALIST Party, not the national capitalist party.

Sorry for the rant but it is one of my pet peeves that people see Hitler as on the right when in fact he was a leftist.

Right or left, it really doesn't matter we are talking about a crazed lunatic. I brought him up just as an extreme counter to the extreme claim that the left is comparable to pol-pot or mao.

Can you please, for the record, tell the rest of the members of the forum what political ideology that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, the NK Kims, and others of that ilk are associated with? I will save you the trouble of typing it: the answer is COMMUNISM. Communism and socialism are siblings. Both of those siblings are in the family of the political left. I purposely omitted out the Austrian corporal from my list for a reason. Namely, that those of a leftist ideology that have taught political theory in this nation have convinced so many that he was of the right, when he was actually of the left. He believed in the government running the economy in the name of "the people" using "the party". The real argument was about what flavor of socialism would be THE ONE: the National Socialist German Workers' Party wanted their specific brand of socialism to be the top dog while the Soviet Union wanted their version of International Communism to be the top dog. I personally don't like either of them. I want to make clear what I was getting at: that the party in the United States of America which most closely aligns with goals of the political left, the Democrat Party, will do whatever they can get away with to push their ideological agenda of a "socialist utopia" led by truly arrogant, learned elites. And while I am NOT saying that the events that transpired in those other nations will necessarily transpire within our country, they look toward the same sort of goals those others wanted...the only difference between them and the leftists in this nation is one of DEGREES. You don't have to like MY OPINION and you don't have to agree with it...but I do not feel I'm merely spewing rhetoric, it is my heartfelt belief.

TallMike- You can vote for whomever you want this coming election but unless voters flee to Obama or a third party candidate in droves in the state of Texas whoever is on the Rep. ticket will take all the electoral college points in this state, that's a fact!

None of these candidates that are running this election year from the GOP are my ideal candidates. I will therefore vote for the one that I think can be the best leader of our federal government. This whole election is going to be a comprise for me. Unlike the House of Representatives I am willing to make a compromise if I feel it is the better choice for our country.

If you want to vote third party by all means that’s your right as a voter! I have voted third party before only because I did not like the Rep. candidate and I thought a third party could use a little support considering nobody was going to beat that Rep. candidate in Texas. This country needs a major third party bad! I have had enough of Obama and if it comes down to him or Romney he gets my vote!

OK I was wrong on some points, but not on others. Bush did raise the national debt total by more than Obama has so far, but he is on target to exceed him very soon. Its like a giant snowball rolling down hill and getting bigger each second...

Bush increased it by a staggering 89%, obama has only managed to increase it 41% so far. But while bush managed to increase it only 11.1% per year, obama has managed to increase it by 13.8% each year.

I was incorrect on stating it was higher as a % of GDP.

I would also like to say - WOW that chart is disturbing!!

tallmike wrote:OK I was wrong on some points, but not on others. Bush did raise the national debt total by more than Obama has so far, but he is on target to exceed him very soon. Its like a giant snowball rolling down hill and getting bigger each second...

Bush increased it by a staggering 89%, obama has only managed to increase it 41% so far. But while bush managed to increase it only 11.1% per year, obama has managed to increase it by 13.8% each year.

I was incorrect on stating it was higher as a % of GDP.

I would also like to say - WOW that chart is disturbing!!

All I will say is this: You can play with numbers and percentages all you want, but the reality is we're comparing 8 years under Bush to 3 years under Obama.

That's not a very good basis of comparison.

BTW, did you watch the youtube video I found for you? Still think Obama likes capitalism?

Juat keep in mind that if obama gets the vote he will spend a whole lot more than he has so far. Well that is until theres no more to spend. And it will be time to sharpen my hunting knife.

I watched the video as hard as it was. He needs that raised chin just whacked into place. Obama claims it has never worked. Pure idiocy, plain and simple. We have 60+ years of proof that entitlements do nothing but enslave more and more people with no chance of leaving the system. We know that doesn't work. We have many examples of socialist and communist states that have failed, when the central government dictated who will get what. Some Americans refuse to be on the payroll, they capitalize on education, chance, venture and profit. Obama has never been guilty of that.

Heartland Patriot wrote:Can you please, for the record, tell the rest of the members of the forum what political ideology that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, the NK Kims, and others of that ilk are associated with?

That's easy. It's the political ideology of a strong central government. Both parties have been taking us down that road for, IDK, but my whole life at least.

The Bill of Rights contains the Tenth Amendment for a reason. Politicians (including judges) who violate the very clear words of the Tenth Amendment choose to line up against the United States Constitution. IDK if that counts as treason but there's no denying the fact they're willingly acting to break down and attack the Constitution of the United States, and showing neither true faith nor allegiance to the same.

I have seen Ron Paul's name here a few times. There is the possibility of him running as a third party.

If Ron Paul runs as a third party candidate we definitely will have Obama with a second term. There is a very good chance
of that happening anyhow. The Republicans have torn each other up and now they all look foolish.

No matter who the Republicans will put out there I will vote for him but I am not too optimistic about
Obama losing.

Chuck

I'm voting for a pro gun fiscal conservative. If the Republicans put one on the ballot, that's great. If they don't, they got nobody to blame but themselves.

I'm doing the same for local elections too, even if I have to write in Thomas Jefferson

Again, a word of caution/advice, boys.

The current Potus didn't elect himself in '08. The folk who didn't vote for the Republican candidate elected him. The guy I favored, Huntsman, is no longer in this race but I'm not going to boost the current POTUS by voting for a third party person or, horrors of horrors, not voting at all.

Y'all only have one vote, please use it wisely.

Yeah, I'm going to vote for this guy...

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=A7cU667wJ30[/youtube]

74novaman wrote: BTW, did you watch the youtube video I found for you? Still think Obama likes capitalism?

Yes, and nowhere in that 1 minute video, cut down from a 55 minute speech at a fundraiser (where all candidates will say the most extreme things to get money) did he say he does not like capitalism. He said pure capitalism does not work and has never worked. How is that wrong?

Rampant capitalism of the late 1800's and early 1900's brought about drastic changes which included government regulation to keep capitalism in check. Very few ideologies work well when taken to their extreme, capitalism included.

Who among us would say that the unchecked capitalism that was America 125 years ago is a way they would like to live?

Oldgringo wrote:Again, a word of caution/advice, boys.

The current Potus didn't elect himself in '08. The folk who didn't vote for the Republican candidate elected him. The guy I favored, Huntsman, is no longer in this race but I'm not going to boost the current POTUS by voting for a third party person or, horrors of horrors, not voting at all.

Y'all only have one vote, please use it wisely.

tallmike wrote:

74novaman wrote: BTW, did you watch the youtube video I found for you? Still think Obama likes capitalism?

Yes, and nowhere in that 1 minute video, cut down from a 55 minute speech at a fundraiser (where all candidates will say the most extreme things to get money) did he say he does not like capitalism. He said pure capitalism does not work and has never worked. How is that wrong?

Rampant capitalism of the late 1800's and early 1900's brought about drastic changes which included government regulation to keep capitalism in check. Very few ideologies work well when taken to their extreme, capitalism included.

Who among us would say that the unchecked capitalism that was America 125 years ago is a way they would like to live?

(I'm making this one last reply on this one.)

Compared to what? The accelerating slide to a pseudo-Euro "socialist utopia"? Yep, I'll take the rampant capitalist society instead of that...

And I'll just finish with a great quote.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

Winston Churchill

Mike, if you'd like to think the guy is pro business or free enterprise, well, good luck to you.

The man is an ivory tower, theoretical Marxist who has no understanding of how an economy works in the real world.

But if you've enjoyed high unemployment, demonization of those who could turn our sagging economic prospects around, and even more deficit spending and foreign policy blunders than we experienced under bush, by all means enjoy your view on the world.

If you didn't see the mans absolute disdain for freedom and capitalism in that one minute video, there's nothing I can [abbreviated profanity deleted] for you.