Bulk Ammo for "the end of the world"

[03Lightningrocks]

03Lightningrocks Just don't come knocking at the door of my shelter when you have no toilet paper in your BOB, lolol.

... Oh, come on man! You wouldn't at least toss me a phone book?

[pbwalker]

03, let's try it like this and see if you still think that comment was acceptable.


Your original post that I responded to:

I love the "bug out bag" threads. They are so cute. I always wonder where exactly someone is planning to "bug out" to. Will they be bugging down the freeway? Running down the alleys... Where? If you live in the country, you don't need to do anything other than build a fort around your property. But then the government will just send in a drone and blow you up. Yep... Bugging out is just so cute.

Let me ask you...how would you feel if someone said this:

I love the "I have my CHL" threads. They are so cute. I always wonder why exactly someone is planning to "carry a gun". Will they be shooting people? Chasing down bad guys... Why? If you live in the city, you don't need to carry because there are police there to protect you. Yep... carrying a gun is just so cute.

I never made any mention to the end of civilization. That was the title of the OP's post. I mentioned specific scenarios. I never said anything about gas masks and bullets either. If those comments weren't directed at me, then my apologies. I don't believe the end of the world is near as well, but I also believe in being prepared for whatever life throws at you. Civil unrest, chemical leak / explosion, etc.

I still fail to see any "threat" (as you mentioned), but to each their own.

Bomb shelter? Look, there are extremes in any environment. You carry a gun...are you a murderer intent on killing as many people as possible? No. Do I build bomb shelters? Nope. Thinking the extremes speak for the majority is not the way to live. It's what ruins politics.

You may not have attacked a person individually, but your post came across as condescending and insulting to a group of people who think the way they do (as I, and a few others interpreted it). You were to people who have "bug out bags" as anti's are to gun owners.



Oh, as to cloth diapers...it seems the only people who are militant about them are the ones without kids. Disposable diapers are the only way to go!

[MolonLabe]

... Oh, come on man! You wouldn't at least toss me a phone book?

Yes, I would most likely spare a square. I would be sure to rip it out of the Sensitivity Training section of Big Yellow, but first I'd be sure to inform you about how utterly "CUTE" your situation was.

[03Lightningrocks]

... Oh, come on man! You wouldn't at least toss me a phone book?

Yes, I would most likely spare a square. I would be sure to rip it out of the Sensitivity Training section of Big Yellow, but first I'd be sure to inform you about how utterly "CUTE" your situation was.

You are a good man! I was sure I could count on some assistance. I do however own three sea shells.

[03Lightningrocks]

pbwalker... folks like you make baby jesus cry. Click...IGNORE!

[C-dub]

... Oh, come on man! You wouldn't at least toss me a phone book?

Yes, I would most likely spare a square. I would be sure to rip it out of the Sensitivity Training section of Big Yellow, but first I'd be sure to inform you about how utterly "CUTE" your situation was.

You are a good man! I was sure I could count on some assistance. I do however own three sea shells.

Nice Demolition Man reference.

[C-dub]

It would also be necessary to figure out what to do when one's spouse or relatives think one is completely off one's rocker and try to get one committed.

- Jim

I guess that's why my wife keeps asking what those boxes with cyrillic writing on them in the garage are...

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Sardines?

Anygunanywhere

WW2 surplus SPAM?

[pbwalker]

pbwalker... folks like you make baby jesus cry. Click...IGNORE!

I guess that's one way to deal with it...run away. Why address the points I made when you can just "Click...IGNORE!". How wonderfully Liberal of you. Cute, if I may!

But then again, I'm ignored so you won't see any of this. You make a condescending post, get your panties in a bunch when you're called out on it...and then run away. Maybe I was wrong when I said "old" in an earlier post because it's plainly evident that you are not old (in maturity at least).

[The Annoyed Man]

I have to get to work. My response was to the end of the world topic. Quite frankly, this forum is and was about protecting our gun rights. Doomsday survivalist forums abound if one wants to talk preparing for the end. When lurkers who are on the fence about gun rights, read a bunch of guys talking as if they really think "the end is nigh", it can confirm the suspicion that we are a bunch of paranoid gun nuts. This is MY opinion and Yes... I find it cute. Maybe I should have said... not to be taken seriously. I wanted to make sure the fence sitters did not think we were all planning for the end of the world... as the original thread topic suggested.

Granted... being prepared for a tornado, earthquake, flood or other natural disater in an area prone to these, is not at question on a thread with the words... END OF THE WORLD ... in the title.

OK, I'll grant you the "end of the world" stuff, and I like you too much personally to want to get into a fight with you over this. I don't think in terms of "the end of the world." As seamusTX pointed out, if it's the end, we won't need to worry about surviving, right? We'll be.....or ought to be far more worried about what comes after. Personally, Jesus already nailed that one down for me. So every day I wake up is a good day. On the day that I don't, it's a better day.

What I do think in terms of is whatever it would take to pry me out of my comfortable existence and put me into more of a "survival mode." Even seamusTX mentioned that when he evacuated, he brought along a .357 revolver. True, that's not an "arsenal" by anyone's definition who happens to be to the right of Nancy Pelosi, but it does say this: "I don't expect to need to use a firearm, but I want to have one along just in case I need one." Isn't that why we all have (or are waiting to receive) our CHLs?

Another popular thematic type of thread is the "carry a gun in church" thread. People often conflate what they believe, incorrectly or correctly, about the law with what they believe, correctly or incorrectly, about their spiritual obligations, but at the end of the day, for these people it IS a spiritual issue as much as anything else. Scripture is bandied about supporting one spiritual view or the other. Here is mine, minus any scriptural support. Do I believe that God will protect me so long as it is in His will for me to stay alive? Yes I do. Do I believe that when God, in His sovereignty and infinite wisdom and love, decides to call me Home, no amount of preparation will spare my earthly existence? Absolutely, and praise Him for it! Do I believe that He might send angelic or human help to intervene on my behalf? Yes, I believe that He might. Do I also believe that He might call on me to be the agent of my own or my family's delivery? Absolutely. So, in order to be ready for that call if it comes, I carry a gun. Preparedness, for me, is merely an extension of that world view.

Texas has a long and honored tradition of rural residents having a short handy rifle in their pick 'em up trucks. Even though I live in suburbia, when I'm going to visit a friend on a farm somewhere I'll throw a soft cased AR15 and 3 or 4 full magazines in the back of my SUV. You never know when you might have an opportunity to shoot a hog. I sure don't expect to need that carbine for self-defense. For that matter, I don't expect to need my EDC pistol for self-defense (which is why I'm not somebody who always has 4 backup magazines with me). But I'd feel pretty foolish if I actually needed my gun and I had left it at home. I expect even less to have a need to bring concentrated rifle fire to bear onto a target at a longer ranges than I expect to need my pistol. In fact, even with regard to carrying a pistol, you'll find numerous posts of mine where I've said words to the effect that if I need to fire more than 2 or 3 rounds, I desperately need to be gone from there and then make that happen. But when I'm alone with my wife, on a road trip, with no place to hole-up if things go non-linear, that carbine would be a great comfort. Some people throw a shotgun in the back of their truck. For others it's a lever rifle. I don't own a SD shotgun or a lever rifle, so an AR carbine does that duty.

I believe in preparedness. Words like "TEOTWAWKI," "The End of the World as we Know it," "Zombie Apocalypse," "End of the World" ......those are just "code words" for the larger idea of being prepared for whatever it is in one's power to prepare for....which may be pretty limited, both in terms of our expectations, our abilities, and our financial resources. I don't think that most preppers actually believe something like that will happen. But in the end, God is my refuge, and He is my strength, and ultimately, I depend on Him, not on my preparations. In my previous post, I made a two word reference to obtaining land. Let me expound on that.....

....I don't want to live out the rest of my life in the city. I want to live out my days on a peaceful piece of land, out in the country. Lots of risks come with that—not the least of that is that as I age I will be further removed from a major medical facility. I'm OK with that because the trade-offs are more than offset by the peace and other benefits. One of the reasons I want the pursue this is because I want to become less dependent on a prepackaged existence and more dependent on the Lord to meet my needs....more dependent on Him, and less on myself. I'd like to be able to take a deer or a hog on my own land, without having to rely on the generosity of friends to invite me along, or having to drive a long distance to be able to do it. This may sound weird to some, but I actually want my day-to-day existence to be more dependent on the seasons, even though it will probably make my life a bit harder and somewhat less comfortable. In comparison to some parts of the world, I will still be living an extraordinarily rich and blessed life.

I am not motivated primarily by a fear of what could happen to city dwellers IF a TEOTWAWKI scenario (or whatever you want to call it) were to develop, but that said, I am motivated by that at a secondary or tertiary level. What are the odds? Probably won't ever happen. But "diminished odds" doesn't mean "impossible." If I prepare for life in a tent or storm shelter, well..... a tornado could knock my house down. If I store food in a root cellar, well.... crops CAN fail, and the milk cow can dry up. If I'm dealing with a home invasion on rural land, a shotgun or AR suddenly becomes a better choice than a handgun—particularly against multiple assailants.

Armed rebellion or some such? I don't think it will likely happen (by "likely," mean "strong probability" in the next 5 years), but I do think it could happen. After all, it has already happened twice in our history: 1776 and 1860....not to mention smaller conflagrations like the 1791 Whiskey Rebellion or the 1946 take-back of government in Athens, Georgia. For those people, on those dates, the end of the world as they knew it DID occur......for a while. So sure, it could happen again. In Athens Georgia, citizens had to go break into the local National Guard Armory and steel the guns and ammo to get control of their government back. And by the way, that was just 66 years ago, after WW2 had ended. So, it is not real likely that something like this could happen again—in no small part because government has done its level best to remove these weapons from our access—but it could happen, and in fact it has happened before.

Anyway, I don't lay around worrying about this stuff all day. But I do put some thought and a small amount of effort toward it.

[MolonLabe]

03Lightningrocks I'm going to quit here because I think any additional comments from me relating to this stuff would only further the highjacking of this thread. But heads up, I tried to lighten the mood & make some peace while respectfully giving you insight on why your comments might be viewed as obnoxious. I was actually learning some very useful information until you started getting condescending about above thread. But darn it, chill dude. Thought you were just having a bad day but now I'm wondering if you aren't just trying to get a rise out of people. And BTW, making Jesus cry? Come on! Cut it out. And don't assume everyone here is a man.

[knotquiteawake]

Back to my question.

I've got a snub nose .38 that i plan to carry with me in my "escape" bag. I've read that wadcutter or flat nose type ammo is better for self-defense in a snub nose revolver than a standard round nose fmj round. Any thoughts on that? the flatnose or wadcutter rounds are definitely cheaper than hollow points so i was thinking of grabbing a box or two of flat or wads.

[03Lightningrocks]

03Lightningrocks I'm going to quit here because I think any additional comments from me relating to this stuff would only further the highjacking of this thread. But heads up, I tried to lighten the mood & make some peace while respectfully giving you insight on why your comments might be viewed as obnoxious. I was actually learning some very useful information until you started getting condescending about above thread. But darn it, chill dude. Thought you were just having a bad day but now I'm wondering if you aren't just trying to get a rise out of people. And BTW, making Jesus cry? Come on! Cut it out. And don't assume everyone here is a man.

Likewise. I was doing the same with you. Why break that at this point? I was not having a bad day. I was being honest about my thoughts on a bug out bag. The other poster is now on my ignore feature due to the rude comments coming from that direction. Seriously folks...you dooms dayers are the ones who need to chill. The world will be fine tomorrow. The baby Jesus comment was the nicest thing I could come up with after the personal insults that poster tossed at me. My goodness...I am not assuming everyone here is a man/woman or even a teen ager. Not sure what gave you that impression but my mistake if I did. Like you... I don't want to distract from the thread so I will drop it. There is an old saying that your last post reminded me of... Practice What You Preach.

I did just notice I said you are a good man... I should have said person... I still think you are a good person.. Woman? It is a mistake similar to wanting to say congressman... when it is obviously a congresswoman. My appologies for that... I did not mean to offend.

[03Lightningrocks]

Back to my question.

I've got a snub nose .38 that i plan to carry with me in my "escape" bag. I've read that wadcutter or flat nose type ammo is better for self-defense in a snub nose revolver than a standard round nose fmj round. Any thoughts on that? the flatnose or wadcutter rounds are definitely cheaper than hollow points so i was thinking of grabbing a box or two of flat or wads.

I have always read that in a survival situation, the 22 LR would be a good choice. It is cheap, light to carry and makes less noise when fired. For the caliber you speak of, in a survival situation, either would probably be better than none. I use to reload for wad cutters due to price. I never thought of them as self defense rounds but my thinking would lean torwards the lead possibly deforming better when it strikes flesh and thus making a bigger wound channel??? It would be interesting to see some ballistic gell comparisons... now that I am thinking about it.

[knotquiteawake]

Back to my question.

I've got a snub nose .38 that i plan to carry with me in my "escape" bag. I've read that wadcutter or flat nose type ammo is better for self-defense in a snub nose revolver than a standard round nose fmj round. Any thoughts on that? the flatnose or wadcutter rounds are definitely cheaper than hollow points so i was thinking of grabbing a box or two of flat or wads.

I have always read that in a survival situation, the 22 LR would be a good choice. It is cheap, light to carry and makes less noise when fired. For the caliber you speak of, in a survival situation, either would probably be better than none. I use to reload for wad cutters due to price. I never thought of them as self defense rounds but my thinking would lean torwards the lead possibly deforming better when it strikes flesh and thus making a bigger wound channel??? It would be interesting to see some ballistic gell comparisons... now that I am thinking about it.

This was the gist of what I reading, the wound channel was larger. The pointier round cutting through flesh like a knife and the blunt round caused more trauma.

[03Lightningrocks]

Back to my question.

I've got a snub nose .38 that i plan to carry with me in my "escape" bag. I've read that wadcutter or flat nose type ammo is better for self-defense in a snub nose revolver than a standard round nose fmj round. Any thoughts on that? the flatnose or wadcutter rounds are definitely cheaper than hollow points so i was thinking of grabbing a box or two of flat or wads.

I have always read that in a survival situation, the 22 LR would be a good choice. It is cheap, light to carry and makes less noise when fired. For the caliber you speak of, in a survival situation, either would probably be better than none. I use to reload for wad cutters due to price. I never thought of them as self defense rounds but my thinking would lean torwards the lead possibly deforming better when it strikes flesh and thus making a bigger wound channel??? It would be interesting to see some ballistic gell comparisons... now that I am thinking about it.

This was the gist of what I reading, the wound channel was larger. The pointier round cutting through flesh like a knife and the blunt round caused more trauma.

I hope this is not getting off topic but I am somewhat of a believer in energy dump. It seems to me if the bullet zips right through the target, the energy is not all expended. But if the bullet stops in the target... all of the energy has been left in it. I remember reading another article once that the 5.56 caused massive damage beyond hole the bullet made, due to high velocity as the bullet traveled through the target. Like a shock wave. That is probably comparing apples to oranges though.