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Poldark wrote:This is all part the Globalist Imperial conversion of the USA..... gun grabbing is a major part of the plan !

The Constitution and BOR stand in their way, notice how we now have the administration and all the major media outlet hacks singing as loud as they can the same tune about beastly guns , the 2nd amendment and automatic weapons. Nose of the camel in the tent !!!!

I believe disarming citizens is the goal, how and when they try to acheive it is the question. I do think it's part of the Globalist agenda.

I wonder if the US government's desire to ban guns is the reason for all the recent tragedies involving guns? Do you think the government has something to do with creating the crisis so it can come in and solve it?

It wouldnt be the first time the government killed innocent people to push its own agenda!

The CIA has been experimenting with LSD and mind control for years, ever hear of a " manchurian candidate"? Google Bluebird & Mkultra, Frank Olson.

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Tragic shootings happen without conspiracy no doubt but I also would not doubt there is a conspiracy to create one tragedy more horrible than the next until guns are gone. No matter what happens these tragedies will continue because its part of the plan.

Increasingly there are news reports of shootings every day, notice how things quieted down after the Trayvon Martin and Aurora Incidents, before election. Post election, Sandyhook, Firefighters being shot, etc. UN treaty is also coming back. Its all very suspect to me.

LSUTiger wrote:

Poldark wrote:This is all part the Globalist Imperial conversion of the USA..... gun grabbing is a major part of the plan !

The Constitution and BOR stand in their way, notice how we now have the administration and all the major media outlet hacks singing as loud as they can the same tune about beastly guns , the 2nd amendment and automatic weapons. Nose of the camel in the tent !!!!

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I believe disarming citizens is the goal, how and when they try to acheive it is the question. I do think it's part of the Globalist agenda.quote]

Thomas Chittum eerily predicted all this in 1996 and the Balkanization of America!

JP171 wrote:

Texas Dan Mosby wrote:

LSUTiger wrote:This is the same type of feedback I have received from my ex-military and LEO buddies. I hope what they say is true, that for the most part the LE and Military won't enforce gun confiscation.

First, the military and LEO's follow the orders of those appointed over them, and if the law calls for gun confiscation, then they WILL do as they are ordered and attempt to confiscate guns.

Period.

Second, house to house gun confiscation is simply not practical. While I can see selected areas of any given community being targeted and searched, I don't see this course of action being employed for EVERY home in the nation. I can see them trying to establish a "no later time" for turn in, after which, any firearms found would be grounds for criminal charges.

Regardless, execution of any confiscation policy would require an enormous amount of logistical support and assets that can certainly be disrupted by a determined group of citizens without resorting to directly targeting individuals that are tasked with carrying out such policies.

NO WE WON'T!!!! all of us will REFUSE unlawful orders PERIOD!!!

Please present an example. Because If Katrina and Waco are an example then YES YOU WILL!!!

handog wrote:NO WE WON'T!!!! all of us will REFUSE unlawful orders PERIOD!!!

Please present an example. Because If Katrina and Waco are an example then YES YOU WILL!!![/quote]
I spoke one of my nephews tonight. He's a Sheriff's Deputy in a NC county. I asked him this specific question, and he told me that he and others had discussed it a lot. He said there's not a single man in his department who would enforce such an order. He said there were two compelling reasons; it's unconstitutional and you'd have to have a death wish to want to try to confiscate Americans' guns. I grant you, it's anecdotal, but given what's been posted in this thread previously, my take is, outside the big cities, which are socialist havens, such an order would be extremely difficult to enforce because the LEOs do not support it.

He told me they're all aware of what's going on, see the shortages of ammo, the unavailability of semi-auto rifles, and realize that Americans are preparing for whatever contingency might come.

Take from that whatever you will.

handog wrote:

JP171 wrote:

Texas Dan Mosby wrote:

LSUTiger wrote:This is the same type of feedback I have received from my ex-military and LEO buddies. I hope what they say is true, that for the most part the LE and Military won't enforce gun confiscation.

First, the military and LEO's follow the orders of those appointed over them, and if the law calls for gun confiscation, then they WILL do as they are ordered and attempt to confiscate guns.

Period.

Second, house to house gun confiscation is simply not practical. While I can see selected areas of any given community being targeted and searched, I don't see this course of action being employed for EVERY home in the nation. I can see them trying to establish a "no later time" for turn in, after which, any firearms found would be grounds for criminal charges.

Regardless, execution of any confiscation policy would require an enormous amount of logistical support and assets that can certainly be disrupted by a determined group of citizens without resorting to directly targeting individuals that are tasked with carrying out such policies.

NO WE WON'T!!!! all of us will REFUSE unlawful orders PERIOD!!!

Please present an example. Because If Katrina and Waco are an example then YES YOU WILL!!!

thats very easy on both counts, Katrina is and was the NOPD not the national guard or federal military, Waco was the BATFE not the military, also 2 entirely different situations the NOPD did what the law in LA. said they were allowed to do, the BATFE did what they were legally required to do due to weapons violations of the law in existance at the time., please before you go into it I really don't care to hear(read) the drivel about Waco being an illegal murder operation contrived by the government to remove the free thinking libertarians in the peaceful compound. its all bunk

JP171 wrote:the NOPD did what the law in LA. said they were allowed to do

This was still a violation of the Louisiana Constitution... and that was before the recent vote to amend it with stronger RKBA language.

hpcatx wrote:

JP171 wrote:the NOPD did what the law in LA. said they were allowed to do

This was still a violation of the Louisiana Constitution... and that was before the recent vote to amend it with stronger RKBA language.

ok, however I did hear right after the incident that the law in LA. stated the governor could declare a state of emergency and confiscate personally owned weapons, but if the law didn't say that ok, if however it did thats why they included in the new law a repeal of and language fobidding such action from the effective date of the law.

My original point stands though, in neither case did the Military of Either state nor federal act in the incidents of firearms confiscation or attempted arrest of felons

JP171 wrote:

hpcatx wrote:

JP171 wrote:the NOPD did what the law in LA. said they were allowed to do

This was still a violation of the Louisiana Constitution... and that was before the recent vote to amend it with stronger RKBA language.

ok, however I did hear right after the incident that the law in LA. stated the governor could declare a state of emergency and confiscate personally owned weapons, but if the law didn't say that ok, if however it did thats why they included in the new law a repeal of and language fobidding such action from the effective date of the law.

My original point stands though, in neither case did the Military of Either state nor federal act in the incidents of firearms confiscation or attempted arrest of felons

Wasn't negating your post. Merely pointing out that it's not so outlandish to think that Obama might try an unconstitutional executive order. History shows all that is needed is the claim (true or manufactured) of crisis.

hpcatx wrote:

JP171 wrote:

hpcatx wrote:

JP171 wrote:the NOPD did what the law in LA. said they were allowed to do

This was still a violation of the Louisiana Constitution... and that was before the recent vote to amend it with stronger RKBA language.

ok, however I did hear right after the incident that the law in LA. stated the governor could declare a state of emergency and confiscate personally owned weapons, but if the law didn't say that ok, if however it did thats why they included in the new law a repeal of and language fobidding such action from the effective date of the law.

My original point stands though, in neither case did the Military of Either state nor federal act in the incidents of firearms confiscation or attempted arrest of felons

Wasn't negating your post. Merely pointing out that it's not so outlandish to think that Obama might try an unconstitutional executive order. History shows all that is needed is the claim (true or manufactured) of crisis.

ok I'll give you that one

Not saying it will happen, but saying it couldn't happen is putting ones head in the sand.

I find it hard to believe there isn't already a "list" of gun owners omewhere. CIA, DHS, or some other agency. Too many records out there. No, wouldn't be a perfect list. But the number of records is mind numbing. From. Brady checks and CHL's to gun mag subscriptions and credit card purchases, from NRA rolls to range memberships, coming up with a list wouldn't be difficulr.

As for the expense, how many billions (trillions?)have we flushed down the toilet on the war on drugs, the TSA, or trying to turn Iraq and Afganistan into functioning democracies?

And, to those fanticizing about going out in a blaze of glory taking down evil jackbooted government rhugs, it won't happen like that. They'll pick you up while you're out and about (on your way to work, on the way to the grocery store, etc. Then aearxh your empty house at their leisure.

They don't have to get all of the guns, just enough to scare most into turning them in and alienate the rest. What good is a gun for defense if using it results in prison time?

Just my opinion....


If you review any thread on this board involving the 4th Amendment, you will find those who take it for how it is written, and those that rely on how it has been interpreted by SCOTUS. Law enforcement agencies assert their power to search and seize based on court rulings on the 4th Amendment, not the 4th Amendment itself.

Fast forward to today, and the topic of Gun Confiscation. I think in general that the vast majority of Officer's who are working today would not participate in any type of program to confiscate guns from citizens.

These Officers will quickly be culled from the ranks. New officers and existing officers who did not object to the violating someones 2nd Amendment rights would be brought in and indoctrinated that the 2nd Amendment doesn't really means what it says due to "X" (new laws, SCOTUS rulings, etc.).

Fast forward to a board like this 10 years past the beginning of gun confiscation. Those who believe in the 2nd Amendment would rely on those precious 27 words and how they were written. Those who believe that they can take our weapons will rely on "X" (whatever that turns out to be) as justification.

Where is Gov. Perry's and the other Republican governors push back on this whole miserable affair

Poldark wrote:Where is Gov. Perry's and the other Republican governors push back on this whole miserable affair

I think they are waiting for the leftists to make their intentions official. No sense in playing your hand before all the cards are dealt.

Heartland Patriot wrote:

Poldark wrote:Where is Gov. Perry's and the other Republican governors push back on this whole miserable affair

I think they are waiting for the leftists to make their intentions official. No sense in playing your hand before all the cards are dealt.

Just feels like every day this collectivist bunch use a larger more emboldened hammer .

Heartland Patriot wrote:

Poldark wrote:Where is Gov. Perry's and the other Republican governors push back on this whole miserable affair

I think they are waiting for the leftists to make their intentions official. No sense in playing your hand before all the cards are dealt.

I hope you're right.