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Bob in Big D wrote:

mojo84 wrote:2013 - U.S. Government tried to disarm her citizens. Failed to do so. Entire government replaced with citizen representatives that swore and held accountable to uphold the Constitution.

Where's that "Like" button.

Right here...

What I think is happening here is that Feinstein, Schumer, et. al., know this will never fly. A total ban will never fly. National elimination of states allowing concealed carry will never fly. They are asking for the moon (conditioning the public) so they can 'settle' for 'reasonable' restrictions such as limits on magazine capacity, closing the gun show 'loophole', etc., that spineless, fence sitting Senators and Representatives can go along with, 'for the children', even though we all know it is ineffective. They 'give up something', 'come to the middle', and push the opposition to do the same. It's a political game, negotiating, conditioning, and has nothing to do with what even Feinstein believes she can ultimately get passed. She is shooting for 'middle ground' because that is what she knows she can get if she plays it properly and appears to the masses to be reasonble and to meet the opposition half way....

GrillKing wrote:What I think is happening here is that Feinstein, Schumer, et. al., know this will never fly. A total ban will never fly. National elimination of states allowing concealed carry will never fly. They are asking for the moon (conditioning the public) so they can 'settle' for 'reasonable' restrictions such as limits on magazine capacity, closing the gun show 'loophole', etc., that spineless, fence sitting Senators and Representatives can go along with, 'for the children', even though we all know it is ineffective. They 'give up something', 'come to the middle', and push the opposition to do the same. It's a political game, negotiating, conditioning, and has nothing to do with what even Feinstein believes she can ultimately get passed. She is shooting for 'middle ground' because that is what she knows she can get if she plays it properly and appears to the masses to be reasonble and to meet the opposition half way....

Its right out of Saul Alinsky's playbook, "Rules for Radicals". http://www.vcn.bc.ca/citizens-handbook/rules.html You can read it for yourself. BTW, I am in agreement with you...they only give the appearance of giving something up...in reality, WE, the law-abiding gun owners, are the ones who get things taken away from us in any of these deals...the only question is how much do they take this time? Or maybe, how much will our Representatives allow them to take?

GrillKing wrote:What I think is happening here is that Feinstein, Schumer, et. al., know this will never fly. A total ban will never fly. National elimination of states allowing concealed carry will never fly. They are asking for the moon (conditioning the public) so they can 'settle' for 'reasonable' restrictions such as limits on magazine capacity, closing the gun show 'loophole', etc., that spineless, fence sitting Senators and Representatives can go along with, 'for the children', even though we all know it is ineffective. They 'give up something', 'come to the middle', and push the opposition to do the same. It's a political game, negotiating, conditioning, and has nothing to do with what even Feinstein believes she can ultimately get passed. She is shooting for 'middle ground' because that is what she knows she can get if she plays it properly and appears to the masses to be reasonble and to meet the opposition half way....

In January, Senator Feinstein will introduce a bill to stop the sale, transfer, importation and manufacturing of military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition feeding devises. It appears that they are looking at Gun Registration.

From what I read... It appears that even handguns will be needed to register if it has more that ten rounds? Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.

Here's the view of the new AWB to be proposed early next year:

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... lt-weapons


Summary of 2013 Feinstein Assault Weapons Legislation

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
 120 specifically-named firearms

 Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a
detachable magazine and have one military characteristic

 Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept
more than 10 rounds

Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:
 Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test

 Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from
the characteristics test

 Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address
attempts to “work around” prior bans

Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than
10 rounds.

Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
 Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment

 Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or
sporting purposes and

 Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons

Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
o Background check of owner and any transferee;

o Type and serial number of the firearm;

o Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;

o Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that
possession would not violate State or local law; and

o Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration

Will never fly. This would ban 80-90% of existing firearms and enforce NFA registration. This is killing 2nA and make US 1 stop from being fully disarmed as in the case in AU and UK.

That is call for revolution.

Beiruty wrote:Will never fly. This would ban 80-90% of existing firearms and enforce NFA registration. This is killing 2nA and make US 1 stop from being fully disarmed as in the case in AU and UK.

That is call for revolution.

I for one have stopped saying ."It could never happen" or "It will never fly". This administration has proven that it does not respect the constitution and the Republicans are weak right now... I fear for this Great Republic.

Beiruty wrote:Will never fly. This would ban 80-90% of existing firearms and enforce NFA registration. This is killing 2nA and make US 1 stop from being fully disarmed as in the case in AU and UK.

That is call for revolution.

Two things (besides trying to garner enough Republican votes in the House): One, they must get FUNDING for this as part of the bill. Aren't we about to go over a "fiscal cliff"? They don't seem to want to spend money to put LEOs in schools, but they want the massive amount it will take to fund this monstrosity? Two, they must ENFORCE it...with the existing crew they have, they don't have enough people to enforce it, not against how many semi-automatic firearms are out there, not by a long shot. This mess may be realistic in FEINSTEIN'S limousine-liberal mind, but I'm betting that a lot of her cronies and pals will use it for bargaining leverage to get whatever it is they think they can actually bamboozle enough Republicans into voting for...and unfortunately, there will be something.

As stated in a previous post, this Congress can't pass gas effectively right now, how do you expect them to pass anything else.

longhorn_92 wrote:

Beiruty wrote:Will never fly. This would ban 80-90% of existing firearms and enforce NFA registration. This is killing 2nA and make US 1 stop from being fully disarmed as in the case in AU and UK.

That is call for revolution.

I for one have stopped saying ."It could never happen" or "It will never fly". This administration has proven that it does not respect the constitution and the Republicans are weak right now... I fear for this Great Republic.

I'm sure people in Australia/UK/Germany/Rome/Jerusalem/Turkey and elsewhere thought it'll never happen on one thing or another in times past.... then they realized that froglegs were on the menu for supper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_ ... ts_of_1989" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RPB wrote:

longhorn_92 wrote:

Beiruty wrote:Will never fly. This would ban 80-90% of existing firearms and enforce NFA registration. This is killing 2nA and make US 1 stop from being fully disarmed as in the case in AU and UK.

That is call for revolution.

I for one have stopped saying ."It could never happen" or "It will never fly". This administration has proven that it does not respect the constitution and the Republicans are weak right now... I fear for this Great Republic.

I'm sure people in Australia/UK/Germany/Rome/Jerusalem/Turkey and elsewhere thought it'll never happen on one thing or another in times past.... then they realized that froglegs were on the menu for supper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_ ... ts_of_1989" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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That photo is retouched. I don't believe the original guy was carrying packages from his local Apple Store...

sjfcontrol wrote:

RPB wrote:

longhorn_92 wrote:

Beiruty wrote:Will never fly. This would ban 80-90% of existing firearms and enforce NFA registration. This is killing 2nA and make US 1 stop from being fully disarmed as in the case in AU and UK.

That is call for revolution.

I for one have stopped saying ."It could never happen" or "It will never fly". This administration has proven that it does not respect the constitution and the Republicans are weak right now... I fear for this Great Republic.

I'm sure people in Australia/UK/Germany/Rome/Jerusalem/Turkey and elsewhere thought it'll never happen on one thing or another in times past.... then they realized that froglegs were on the menu for supper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_ ... ts_of_1989" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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That photo is retouched. I don't believe the original guy was carrying packages from his local Apple Store...

You beat me to it:

I knew it when I posted it ... but I like the Apple Store one

If it hasn't been posted yet, here is the summary of Feinstein's bill for 2013. I post it in its entirety because it comes from her senate webpage and is thus in the public domain:

Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:

• Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
  • 120 specifically-named firearms
  • Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic (what the heck is a military characteristic in a handgun with removable magazine? -TAM)
  • Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds
• Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:
  • Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test (if it has one characteristic, it is banned-TAM)
  • Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test
  • Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans
• Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
• Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
  • Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment
  • Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and
  • Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons
• Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
  • Background check of owner and any transferee;
  • Type and serial number of the firearm;
  • Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
  • Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
  • Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration

A pdf of the bill summary is available here.

I most sincerely and deeply and unapologetically hate that poor excuse for American womanhood. This actually does scare the crap outta me.

Seems to me if various states can claim that marijuana is legal, Texas should be able to declare that the ban (and the vile registration requirements) doesn't apply to people in Texas.