EEllis wrote:anygunanywhere wrote:EEllis wrote:
These guys don't go after people who misfile their returns they go after criminals. Al Capone was convicted of tax fraud. Auditors don't carry guns it's the criminal investigators who do.
Sorry. There are enough ABC fed.gov agencies that pack. Tax collectors do not need to.
Anygunanywhere
And when faced with the complexities of the tax laws they would just ignore tax fraud for other crime or they would end up being exclusive to the enforcement of said laws so they basically would still be tax cops. These are not collectors, auditors, or anything but criminal investigators.
If I recall correctly, the FBI was founded for exactly that purpose: law-trained, audit-capable, men with guns.
The following is in the public domain, on a government website, so I quote a large part of it here, but there is much more, and it is worth reading:
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/history/brief-history
A Brief History of the FBI
Origins (1908-1910)
The FBI originated from a force of special agents created in 1908 by Attorney General Charles Bonaparte during the presidency of Theodore Roosevelt. The two men first met when they both spoke at a meeting of the Baltimore Civil Service Reform Association. Roosevelt, then Civil Service commissioner, boasted of his reforms in federal law enforcement. It was 1892, a time when law enforcement was often political rather than professional. Roosevelt spoke with pride of his insistence that Border Patrol applicants pass marksmanship tests, with the most accurate getting the jobs. Following Roosevelt on the program, Bonaparte countered, tongue in cheek, that target shooting was not the way to get the best men. "Roosevelt should have had the men shoot at each other and given the jobs to the survivors."
Roosevelt and Bonaparte both were "Progressives." They shared the conviction that efficiency and expertise, not political connections, should determine who could best serve in government. Theodore Roosevelt became President of the United States in 1901; four years later, he appointed Bonaparte to be attorney general. In 1908, Bonaparte applied that Progressive philosophy to the Department of Justice by creating a corps of special agents. It had neither a name nor an officially designated leader other than the attorney general. Yet, these former detectives and Secret Service men were the forerunners of the FBI.
Today, most Americans take for granted that our country needs a federal investigative service, but in 1908, the establishment of this kind of agency at a national level was highly controversial. The U.S. Constitution is based on "federalism:" a national government with jurisdiction over matters that crossed boundaries, like interstate commerce and foreign affairs, with all other powers reserved to the states. Through the 1800s, Americans usually looked to cities, counties, and states to fulfill most government responsibilities. However, by the 20th century, easier transportation and communications had created a climate of opinion favorable to the federal government establishing a strong investigative tradition.
The impulse among the American people toward a responsive federal government, coupled with an idealistic, reformist spirit, characterized what is known as the Progressive Era, from approximately 1900 to 1918. The Progressive generation believed that government intervention was necessary to produce justice in an industrial society. Moreover, it looked to "experts" in all phases of industry and government to produce that just society.
President Roosevelt personified Progressivism at the national level. A federal investigative force consisting of well-disciplined experts and designed to fight corruption and crime fit Roosevelt's Progressive scheme of government. Attorney General Bonaparte shared his president's Progressive philosophy. However, the Department of Justice under Bonaparte had no investigators of its own except for a few special agents who carried out specific assignments for the attorney general, and a force of examiners (trained as accountants) who reviewed the financial transactions of the federal courts. Since its beginning in 1870, the Department of Justice used funds appropriated to investigate federal crimes to hire private detectives first and later investigators from other federal agencies. (Federal crimes are those that were considered interstate or occurred on federal government reservations.)
By 1907, the Department of Justice most frequently called upon Secret Service "operatives" to conduct investigations. These men were well-trained, dedicated—and expensive. Moreover, they reported not to the attorney general, but to the chief of the Secret Service. This situation frustrated Bonaparte, who wanted complete control of investigations under his jurisdiction. Congress provided the impetus for Bonaparte to acquire his own force. On May 27, 1908, it enacted a law preventing the Department of Justice from engaging Secret Service operatives.
The following month, Attorney General Bonaparte appointed a force of special agents within the Department of Justice. Accordingly, 10 former Secret Service employees and a number of Department of Justice peonage (i.e., compulsory servitude) investigators became special agents of the Department of Justice. On July 26, 1908, Bonaparte ordered them to report to Chief Examiner Stanley W. Finch. This action is celebrated as the beginning of the FBI.
Both Attorney General Bonaparte and President Theodore Roosevelt, who completed their terms in March 1909, recommended that the force of 34 agents become a permanent part of the Department of Justice. Attorney General George Wickersham, Bonaparte's successor, named the force the Bureau of Investigation on March 16, 1909. At that time, the title of chief examiner was changed to chief of the Bureau of Investigation.
Did anybody note how the
official FBI website extolls the virtues of progressivism?
The FBI
already exists to investigate tax matters where armed agents are necessary, and its charter requires it to do those things when the IRS requests it. Remember when Robert Stack and Kevin Costner (Elliot Ness) beat Neville Brand and Robert De Niro (Al Capone) with Tommy Gun totin' accountants? What we have happening here with the arming of IRS agents is exactly what happened 100 years ago when
progressives Teddy Roosevelt and Charles Bonaparte got into a contest of urine streams over who should be armed and who shouldn't, but both agreed that an entirely new federal agency of armed agents was necessary. Did I mention that they were progressives? Exactly WHEN has a progressive argued against the creation of another armed bureaucracy? Exactly never!
So today, the Treasury Dept.....another agency run by progressives (who abuse their power during elections).....has armed agents, including agents who were spotted by a congressman training with AR15s not too long ago......so they are not just armed for their own protection, they are being trained as "assaulters."
.....and never mind that Treasury
already has it's agency of armed door-kickers: the Secret Service, who many mistakenly believe exists for the sole reason of presidential security.
Yeah.....what we need is
another agency of armed door-kickers, particularly one that has been caught red handed corrupting the political process......and particularly one made up of people who routinely ignore the basic rules of gun safety.
I think I'm going to pick up a couple more lower receivers and some more ammo.
