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Re: Woman held at gunpoint
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:19 pm
by CHLLady
PhillRoath wrote:When I started here in Houston in January of 1987 (software for the Space Shuttle) one of the ladies that gave excellent instruction was named Libby Jones. She was a nice lady who late one night let a man into her home...
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-mur ... ibby-jones" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So you ladies here, be as smart as you are nice!
Phill
Thank you for sharing this tragic story. This was not even a stranger, he was working for her. This has reminded me to CC while strangers are on my property legitimately. See, I learned something valuable again today.
Sawdust, I love the cornered cat site as well. Great resource! Thank you for working to change your students habits. It's a work in progress. By the Grace, we will not have to learn it the hard way. The most powerful learning tool is a real story from another woman, that always gets my total attention.
Amonix, I'm speechless. Bite her cell phone? I guess it prevented her from throwing it at you.
Excalibur, I'm gonna look on amazon for one of those. I really need something that breaks a beam and sounds an alarm, for my garage and sidewalk. I found some on amazon, but they were too cheap and wouldn't sound off. Any suggestions?
Re: Woman held at gunpoint
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:49 pm
by Jumping Frog
LadyLightening wrote:... I don't know why I felt bad for them seeing my gun. Afterwards I realized it was a paper clip anyways as it wasn't loaded. ...
The only time my primary carry guns are
ever unloaded is when I am cleaning them. When I am cleaning them, then I have another loaded handgun nearby.
Aside from cleaning, I can think of zero good reasons to ever have a primary self defense handgun unloaded.
Re: Woman held at gunpoint
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:46 pm
by Excaliber
CHLLady wrote:PhillRoath wrote:When I started here in Houston in January of 1987 (software for the Space Shuttle) one of the ladies that gave excellent instruction was named Libby Jones. She was a nice lady who late one night let a man into her home...
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-mur ... ibby-jones" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So you ladies here, be as smart as you are nice!
Phill
Thank you for sharing this tragic story. This was not even a stranger, he was working for her. This has reminded me to CC while strangers are on my property legitimately. See, I learned something valuable again today.
Sawdust, I love the cornered cat site as well. Great resource! Thank you for working to change your students habits. It's a work in progress. By the Grace, we will not have to learn it the hard way. The most powerful learning tool is a real story from another woman, that always gets my total attention.
Amonix, I'm speechless. Bite her cell phone? I guess it prevented her from throwing it at you.
Excalibur, I'm gonna look on amazon for one of those. I really need something that breaks a beam and sounds an alarm, for my garage and sidewalk. I found some on amazon, but they were too cheap and wouldn't sound off. Any suggestions?
Sure. You can start
here.
For your purposes you want a passive infrared sensor that senses moving body heat (not the buried magnetic sensors that only pick up vehicles.)
You can find more by googling "driveway alarm."
Battery life on the receiver is sometimes an issue. Getting one with a transformer that plugs into an outlet eliminates potential headaches in that area.
Re: Woman held at gunpoint
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:01 pm
by Excaliber
LadyLightening wrote:CHLLady wrote:LadyLightening wrote:Thanks for all the comments! Especially the ladies that chimed in! :) Everyone's contributed to things I hadn't even thought of.I have a quick question though. I had some young guys (very early 20s...if that) come to the door selling magazine subscriptions. I had been working in the backyard coming and going into the house every so often and the front door was unlocked. Doorbell rings and stupid me answers the door halfway with my gun in hand on the side that wasn't supposed to be visible. Once I realized I shouldn't be in "threat" mode, I told them to hold on and I closed the door and put my gun on the hallway table. One of the guys was pretty country and he asked me what kind of gun I had and if it was pink.... Pink holster!! They saw through it through the glass in the middle of the door. So I apologized a million times and decided to buy magazines that were ridiculously overpriced after I gave them an idea of why I answered with a gun. They were cool with it and laughed, asked to come into the house and finish paperwork and I let them in. Can I get in trouble for them seeing it? I know absolutely I would if I was outside my home but I was inside. I know I shouldn't of let them in either but I didn't come to my senses until after the fact.
You need a No trespassing/No soliciting sign, a solid front door, and a chain so that you don't open the door all the way... NO do not let them in. Women have to stop being so nice. Our safety needs to come first over offending someone's feelings. I say this because I KNOW I am guilty of this very thing. WHY do we do this after the fact? We have to put the brakes on first. WHY shouldn't you be in threat mode?! Your instincts told you correctly the first time, your brain made you change it!! You were 100% right to answer the door with your gun. Listen to your instincts. And don't apologize! In the book, I mentioned earlier, he tells you WHY you need to use your instincts! Do you know the kind of people who sell mags. Door to door are not the kind that have a good job history or a long one. I bet they hire anyone to do this, even ex-cons. Who's to say that on that day he decides to go bad again... We have got to change our way of thinking!
I had some man come to the door, which I did NOT open claiming to be from an electric company I don't have. He was very offended that I would not open the door. I could tell in the way he answered me. Oh well! Too bad, survey someone else! But then again, I did open the door to a guy trying to sell Direct Tv/Dish. He asked for a bottle of water, a pen, and 2 napkins to wipe his face. I accommodated him every time. I shut the door and he was not allowed in, but still I'm irritated with myself over this one. I'm too darn nice! Ugh! Then we put up the No trespassing/soliciting sign.
Being too nice is my number #1 weakness! Niceness is what got me into this situation in the first place...
I just downloaded that book to my iPad, it sounds like I could really use it. I just had the same experience with Direct TV!! I had to let this guy into my house though...I could hear his stomach rumbling and then he asked me if he could use my bathroom. This guy pinched a loaf in my toilet, didn't even flush AND I could smell it from my living room. It looked like world war 3 had started in my bathroom. I don't get it! If that was me in someone else's home, I wouldn't go drop bombs in their bathroom... I'd have to leave!! Sorry if I was too detailed.
Anyways, I don't know why I felt bad for them seeing my gun. Afterwards I realized it was a paper clip anyways as it wasn't loaded. I was all over the place today with making so many dumb moves but I haven't felt as good as I did today in awhile... I will let you know how the book goes! :)
Being nice to good people is a wonderful thing. Being nice to everyone can get you seriously injured or killed.
Criminals make a science out of manipulating nice people into vulnerable positions so they can be taken advantage of or attacked.
There's nothing wrong with being wary of strangers - it's a requirement for peaceful living. The concept is that folks have to earn your trust. You can't afford to give it to everyone.
Doing things like using an intercom to interview visitors at the door isn't offensive to innocent guests - but it is much safer and bad guys will recognize it as a real good indication that the resident has given thought to potential intruders and quite likely has a deeper plan for other possibilities. The deterrent effect is significant, and it doesn't present an easy to exploit vulnerability.
One needs to think these things through and be assertive to ward off approaches by people who see niceness as weakness. A good start would be not allowing anyone you wouldn't leave alone with your purse into your home, and keeping Ace with you when you converse with strangers. His nose for bad guys will be many times more sensitive than yours. If he growls and lowers his head, puts his ears back, or bears teeth, you're looking at a threat. Follow his judgment - he'll seldom be wrong. He also won't be shy about being assertive when necessary, and very few bad guys will push things when confronted by an alerted GSD.
Re: Woman held at gunpoint
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:59 pm
by VMI77
PhillRoath wrote:When I started here in Houston in January of 1987 (software for the Space Shuttle) one of the ladies that gave excellent instruction was named Libby Jones. She was a nice lady who late one night let a man into her home...
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-mur ... ibby-jones" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So you ladies here, be as smart as you are nice!
Phill
And almost equally disgusting is the fact that this vermin got to live for 12 years after his crime.
Re: Woman held at gunpoint
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:14 pm
by LadyLightening
I got some good news! My CHL instructor who is also with the FWPD just called and said my guy was picked up for a drug charge this weekend! I don't know all of the details yet but from what he said he will for sure being doing time. Woohoo!!
Re: Woman held at gunpoint
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:25 pm
by txglock21
Wow...this guy sounds like a real winner! Unforunately, this is probably only temporary. Keep your guard up and always be aware. Good luck to you.
Re: Woman held at gunpoint
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:57 pm
by LadyLightening
txglock21 wrote:Wow...this guy sounds like a real winner! Unforunately, this is probably only temporary. Keep your guard up and always be aware. Good luck to you.
Yep, he's really got so much going for him huh? I'm only expecting a few days peace and quiet but hey i'll take it.
Re: Woman held at gunpoint
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:53 pm
by Excaliber
LadyLightening wrote:I got some good news! My CHL instructor who is also with the FWPD just called and said my guy was picked up for a drug charge this weekend! I don't know all of the details yet but from what he said he will for sure being doing time. Woohoo!!
That sounds like good news for your situation, but don't pop the champagne cork yet.
Beware of this thing called "bail" that can have him back out on the street for months or years before a trial.
Also remember that he's not unique - there are thousands like him out there running around looking for easy victims.
Re: Woman held at gunpoint
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:56 pm
by Excaliber
Excaliber wrote:LadyLightening wrote:I got some good news! My CHL instructor who is also with the FWPD just called and said my guy was picked up for a drug charge this weekend! I don't know all of the details yet but from what he said he will for sure being doing time. Woohoo!!
This is good news for your situation, but don't pop the champagne cork yet.
Beware of this thing called "bail" that can have him back out on the street for months or years before a trial.
Also remember that he's not unique - there are thousands like him out there running around looking for easy victims.
The one most focused on you may be distracted for a bit and have his wings clipped for a while, and that's a good thing.
You'll want to keep track of his status because your alert levels will need to go back up if he gets out.
Re: Woman held at gunpoint
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:57 pm
by Amonix
CHLLady wrote:
Amonix, I'm speechless. Bite her cell phone? I guess it prevented her from throwing it at you.
No.... It didn't. Sadly.... The phone was not a phone it was a beat you into submission tool. As in "OMG YOU DIDN'T SPIKE YOUR HAIR TODAY?! REALLY?!"
After 4 years of that crazyness I decided my sanity was worth more.
Re: Woman held at gunpoint
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 11:15 pm
by CHLLady
Amonix wrote:CHLLady wrote:
Amonix, I'm speechless. Bite her cell phone? I guess it prevented her from throwing it at you.
No.... It didn't. Sadly.... The phone was not a phone it was a beat you into submission tool. As in "OMG YOU DIDN'T SPIKE YOUR HAIR TODAY?! REALLY?!"
After 4 years of that crazyness I decided my sanity was worth more.
Yes, and you're way better off without that bunny boiler.
Now keep looking, the non-crazies are out there.
Re: Woman held at gunpoint
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:15 pm
by LadyLightening
Just thought I'd update everyone that my stalker has mysteriously vanished! I haven't seen him since Dec 23rd which was on the highway a few car lengths behind me. Everything's been quiet for the most part around the house and the phone calls are getting more and more less frequent... Almost none!
Finally starting to feel comfortable in my own skin again.
Still don't have my chl, I'm almost at 90 days since I sent it in. :(
Re: Woman held at gunpoint
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:57 pm
by sammeow
Hang in there, and keep checking your CHL status online.
Once you see "Mailed" be there in 3-5 days.
I always recommend to ladies that they check out Falia Leigh.
She blogs and has great YouTube videos for conceal options for women.
Good luck and stay safe.
Re: Woman held at gunpoint
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:39 am
by LadyLightening
sammeow wrote:Hang in there, and keep checking your CHL status online.
Once you see "Mailed" be there in 3-5 days.
I always recommend to ladies that they check out Falia Leigh.
She blogs and has great YouTube videos for conceal options for women.
Good luck and stay safe.
Thanks, I'll check it out!